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I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs?
Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
The belief that Hitler was a "saviour" who made a "KICK for the mankind...towards evolution" is not one that I will respect.
You stated that "Clinton is perfect right." Clinton stated that it "is for us to respect all believes." As you mentioned, allied forces defeated the Nazis. Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Fascism? Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Antisemitism? I don't know what was in the minds of the men on the front lines, the men who liberated the Jews from death camps. But I imagine respect for the antisemitism and fascism were not in most of those men's minds. Had there been respect and acceptance, there would not have been war.
Again I firmly state that I do not respect the antisemitic beliefs of the Third Reich which were responsible for the slaying of approximately 6 million human beings.
Niceworld said:SoSoe Clinton is perfectly right. Believe me.
You spoke on Anti-semitism. Can you imagine that Hitler was a sort of "saviour" of our race?
Can grasp how large a shift in attitude he made in the lobal system. Believe me Hitler was sent here to make a quite extarordinary (from our perspective) KICK for the mankind, but belive me ore yourself, that he made this KICK towards evolution. Earth moved a larger step to Ascension, and we on't be here without Hitler and Nazis. They were part of a greater plan in order to esatblish an alliance among countries by defeating the Nazis. New political systems came. Etc. Development. From the highest point of view there is no evil. Nothing like that. There is a plan and the order of them, beside it we have free will as well but they coexist and moves us into higher awareness.
SOSoe said:I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs?
Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
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By resisting you cause them to persist, release judgment they are souls too, they are just more seperated from source we have all choosen a path for souls experience this is I understand a hard one to take on board but one that works for me and so many others and one that is healing our planet it would seem. Be the nature of your Divinity feel it, it is who you are "A God who can be pleased or displeased isn't a God of grace as the esence of grace is unconditional love' Imagine if we all sent light too those lost souls instead of judging them we would eliminate karma, create a world worthy of us we CAN choose this! the universe will serve it is up to US as a collective to GET IT! SOSoe said:I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs?
Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
"Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation..."
Yes, actually I'm quite familiar with the belief of reincarnation -- in the ancient eastern religious context, the Native American context, the New Age context, and the Scientology context. I'll speak to the ancient eastern religious context, since reincarnation is a central tenet of Hinduism, the oldest of modern religions, and many of the New Age beliefs borrow from the ancient eastern religions.
Samsara (reincarnation) and karma (actions) are fundamental to many of the eastern religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism. Karma is what keeps the wheel of Samsara going, and the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions determines the nature of one's next life. Likewise, the conditions of one's current life could indicate the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions in a past life. In these religions, reincarnating is not a goal. The goal is to escape the wheel of rebirth. Additionally, "good" and "bad" must exist for reincarnation to exist. Were it not for good and bad, the wheel of life would have no fuel.
I could easily spin off into a discussion of the Hindu caste system and its basis in a belief in reincarnation, but I won't. I will only say that caste-based discrimination merits my examining whether or not I find the belief in reincarnation worthy of my respect, so I will have to think on that more.
"Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad."
Not everyone can affirm it. In fact, I believe "good" and "bad" and are quite vital to our human experience. It is my opinion that someone who says there is no "good" and "bad" does not have a conscience. And someone without a conscience may fit the definition of a psychopath, but I'm no psychiatrist so I'll leave that up to a psychiatrist to decide.
Additionally, as previously mentioned, "wrong" or "bad" are fundamental to the Samsara. Now, you can take reincarnation from the buffet of beliefs and leave behind karma, but I would ask you to explain the purpose of reincarnation without the valuation of actions. What's the point?
Finally, the original comment that you were defending was that all beliefs should be respected. Jews neither believe in reincarnation nor believe that "bad" is an illusion. So how about you show the Jews some respect by NOT defending the genocide with such beliefs as reincarnation and wrong/bad is an illusion?!?
Thanks!
Niceworld said:Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation and other similar things, as we were limited and manipulated by a secret government on Earth. I suppose you not, but if someone here in SOE want to demonstrate it to you then let it be, though I will not do it now because it was discussed in many places and you find many sources on it. Try asking anyone, especially those in SoE who have greater abilities like chaneling or astral etc. Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad. Only the illusion of it. Read some more on polarity and connected things. I will not debate on it because it was hundred times.
SOSoe said:The belief that Hitler was a "saviour" who made a "KICK for the mankind...towards evolution" is not one that I will respect.
You stated that "Clinton is perfect right." Clinton stated that it "is for us to respect all believes." As you mentioned, allied forces defeated the Nazis. Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Fascism? Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Antisemitism? I don't know what was in the minds of the men on the front lines, the men who liberated the Jews from death camps. But I imagine respect for the antisemitism and fascism were not in most of those men's minds. Had there been respect and acceptance, there would not have been war. Again I firmly state that I do not respect the antisemitic beliefs of the Third Reich which were responsible for the slaying of approximately 6 million human beings.
Niceworld said:SoSoe Clinton is perfectly right. Believe me.
You spoke on Anti-semitism. Can you imagine that Hitler was a sort of "saviour" of our race?
Can grasp how large a shift in attitude he made in the lobal system. Believe me Hitler was sent here to make a quite extarordinary (from our perspective) KICK for the mankind, but belive me ore yourself, that he made this KICK towards evolution. Earth moved a larger step to Ascension, and we on't be here without Hitler and Nazis. They were part of a greater plan in order to esatblish an alliance among countries by defeating the Nazis. New political systems came. Etc. Development. From the highest point of view there is no evil. Nothing like that. There is a plan and the order of them, beside it we have free will as well but they coexist and moves us into higher awareness.
SOSoe said:I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs? Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
>> I know today you thought you would be visited by extra terrestrial ships >>
Who is "you"? who thought they would be visited by extra terrestrial ships?, agree with Besimi on this one. It was a vizualization meditation. I know of no one who thought they would be visited?
Maybe it is hard to believe for you, but all the jews before incarnating here decided to die, it is a plan for everyone, there is a fate for everyone how and when to die. The point is that you make this decision before incarnating into the physical world, and please don't treat with Religions here in SoE, because this site is not about religions. It is good if you cite definitions from them, but I will not argue about religions, because it is for another site. Religions are for those who are not fully aware of themselves. They not so developped in their consiousness, the are not worse the we are, simply we or most of us here have walked this path and learned from these faults or lessons. We respect theit evolution but stop there. They do their best in their religion until the awaken. Once again they are not less, everyone is equal, but they are still on the path to the light, which may take billions of years or just one second. It's up to them.
I recommend you the Conversation with God book, you find it in the forum posts, I guarrantee that you will get answer for everything.
Another great spice, which is good, listen to Magenta Pixie's videos on youtube on reincarnation you will get a more realistic and clear picture on it.
I would continue arguing with you but only after reading these suff, because I guarrantee you wont have such fundamental questions. They reveal many secret. But as you want.
SOSoe said:"Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation..."
Yes, actually I'm quite familiar with the belief of reincarnation -- in the ancient eastern religious context, the Native American context, the New Age context, and the Scientology context. I'll speak to the ancient eastern religious context, since reincarnation is a central tenet of Hinduism, the oldest of modern religions, and many of the New Age beliefs borrow from the ancient eastern religions.
Samsara (reincarnation) and karma (actions) are fundamental to many of the eastern religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism. Karma is what keeps the wheel of Samsara going, and the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions determines the nature of one's next life. Likewise, the conditions of one's current life could indicate the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions in a past life. In these religions, reincarnating is not a goal. The goal is to escape the wheel of rebirth. Additionally, "good" and "bad" must exist for reincarnation to exist. Were it not for good and bad, the wheel of life would have no fuel.
I could easily spin off into a discussion of the Hindu caste system and its basis in a belief in reincarnation, but I won't. I will only say that caste-based discrimination merits my examining whether or not I find the belief in reincarnation worthy of my respect, so I will have to think on that more.
"Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad."
Not everyone can affirm it. In fact, I believe "good" and "bad" and are quite vital to our human experience. It is my opinion that someone who says there is no "good" and "bad" does not have a conscience. And someone without a conscience may fit the definition of a psychopath, but I'm no psychiatrist so I'll leave that up to a psychiatrist to decide.
Additionally, as previously mentioned, "wrong" or "bad" are fundamental to the Samsara. Now, you can take reincarnation from the buffet of beliefs and leave behind karma, but I would ask you to explain the purpose of reincarnation without the valuation of actions. What's the point?
Finally, the original comment that you were defending was that all beliefs should be respected. Jews neither believe in reincarnation nor believe that "bad" is an illusion. So how about you show the Jews some respect by NOT defending the genocide with such beliefs as reincarnation and wrong/bad is an illusion?!?
Thanks!
Niceworld said:Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation and other similar things, as we were limited and manipulated by a secret government on Earth. I suppose you not, but if someone here in SOE want to demonstrate it to you then let it be, though I will not do it now because it was discussed in many places and you find many sources on it. Try asking anyone, especially those in SoE who have greater abilities like chaneling or astral etc. Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad. Only the illusion of it. Read some more on polarity and connected things. I will not debate on it because it was hundred times.
SOSoe said:The belief that Hitler was a "saviour" who made a "KICK for the mankind...towards evolution" is not one that I will respect.
You stated that "Clinton is perfect right." Clinton stated that it "is for us to respect all believes." As you mentioned, allied forces defeated the Nazis. Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Fascism? Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Antisemitism? I don't know what was in the minds of the men on the front lines, the men who liberated the Jews from death camps. But I imagine respect for the antisemitism and fascism were not in most of those men's minds. Had there been respect and acceptance, there would not have been war. Again I firmly state that I do not respect the antisemitic beliefs of the Third Reich which were responsible for the slaying of approximately 6 million human beings.
Niceworld said:SoSoe Clinton is perfectly right. Believe me.
You spoke on Anti-semitism. Can you imagine that Hitler was a sort of "saviour" of our race?
Can grasp how large a shift in attitude he made in the lobal system. Believe me Hitler was sent here to make a quite extarordinary (from our perspective) KICK for the mankind, but belive me ore yourself, that he made this KICK towards evolution. Earth moved a larger step to Ascension, and we on't be here without Hitler and Nazis. They were part of a greater plan in order to esatblish an alliance among countries by defeating the Nazis. New political systems came. Etc. Development. From the highest point of view there is no evil. Nothing like that. There is a plan and the order of them, beside it we have free will as well but they coexist and moves us into higher awareness.
SOSoe said:I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs? Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
obviously people read but not all understand
LilBunnyFufu said:Hello Dear Friend. You as you people, the members of this site who posted about this event. You can say that it was just a visualization exercise but from reading the information from the one calling herself Blossom Goodchild, it seems very clear not only to me but those of my people I showed the words to that the hope was an extra terrestrial craft would show. Do you not think this is why so many people are disappointed because nothing happened on that friday? let the true path shine and do not be mislead by false meditations. If you spent the same energy to meditate on your evolution and on the aid of others you we will have accomplished more and move towards the path the universe wishes of us. Much love to you.
Tony said:>> I know today you thought you would be visited by extra terrestrial ships >>
Who is "you"? who thought they would be visited by extra terrestrial ships?, agree with Besimi on this one. It was a vizualization meditation. I know of no one who thought they would be visited?
"Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation..."
Yes, actually I'm quite familiar with the belief of reincarnation -- in the ancient eastern religious context, the Native American context, the New Age context, and the Scientology context. I'll speak to the ancient eastern religious context, since reincarnation is a central tenet of Hinduism, the oldest of modern religions, and many of the New Age beliefs borrow from the ancient eastern religions.
Samsara (reincarnation) and karma (actions) are fundamental to many of the eastern religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism. Karma is what keeps the wheel of Samsara going, and the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions determines the nature of one's next life. Likewise, the conditions of one's current life could indicate the "goodness" or "evilness" of one's actions in a past life. In these religions, reincarnating is not a goal. The goal is to escape the wheel of rebirth. Additionally, "good" and "bad" must exist for reincarnation to exist. Were it not for good and bad, the wheel of life would have no fuel.
I could easily spin off into a discussion of the Hindu caste system and its basis in a belief in reincarnation, but I won't. I will only say that caste-based discrimination merits my examining whether or not I find the belief in reincarnation worthy of my respect, so I will have to think on that more.
"Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad."
Not everyone can affirm it. In fact, I believe "good" and "bad" and are quite vital to our human experience. It is my opinion that someone who says there is no "good" and "bad" does not have a conscience. And someone without a conscience may fit the definition of a psychopath, but I'm no psychiatrist so I'll leave that up to a psychiatrist to decide.
Additionally, as previously mentioned, "wrong" or "bad" are fundamental to the Samsara. Now, you can take reincarnation from the buffet of beliefs and leave behind karma, but I would ask you to explain the purpose of reincarnation without the valuation of actions. What's the point?
Finally, the original comment that you were defending was that all beliefs should be respected. Jews neither believe in reincarnation nor believe that "bad" is an illusion. So how about you show the Jews some respect by NOT defending the genocide with such beliefs as reincarnation and wrong/bad is an illusion?!?
Thanks!
Niceworld said:Then you probably haven't heard about reincarnation and other similar things, as we were limited and manipulated by a secret government on Earth. I suppose you not, but if someone here in SOE want to demonstrate it to you then let it be, though I will not do it now because it was discussed in many places and you find many sources on it. Try asking anyone, especially those in SoE who have greater abilities like chaneling or astral etc. Everyone can affirm that there is no such a thing as wrong or bad. Only the illusion of it. Read some more on polarity and connected things. I will not debate on it because it was hundred times.
SOSoe said:The belief that Hitler was a "saviour" who made a "KICK for the mankind...towards evolution" is not one that I will respect.
You stated that "Clinton is perfect right." Clinton stated that it "is for us to respect all believes." As you mentioned, allied forces defeated the Nazis. Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Fascism? Do you think they did so by respecting the beliefs of Antisemitism? I don't know what was in the minds of the men on the front lines, the men who liberated the Jews from death camps. But I imagine respect for the antisemitism and fascism were not in most of those men's minds. Had there been respect and acceptance, there would not have been war. Again I firmly state that I do not respect the antisemitic beliefs of the Third Reich which were responsible for the slaying of approximately 6 million human beings.
Niceworld said:SoSoe Clinton is perfectly right. Believe me.
You spoke on Anti-semitism. Can you imagine that Hitler was a sort of "saviour" of our race?
Can grasp how large a shift in attitude he made in the lobal system. Believe me Hitler was sent here to make a quite extarordinary (from our perspective) KICK for the mankind, but belive me ore yourself, that he made this KICK towards evolution. Earth moved a larger step to Ascension, and we on't be here without Hitler and Nazis. They were part of a greater plan in order to esatblish an alliance among countries by defeating the Nazis. New political systems came. Etc. Development. From the highest point of view there is no evil. Nothing like that. There is a plan and the order of them, beside it we have free will as well but they coexist and moves us into higher awareness.
SOSoe said:I must say, Clinton, that I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say this to be disagreeable. Beliefs are not to be blindly respected. Suggesting that anyone should respect another person's beliefs because "going against that grain" is "hurtfull for others" can be potentially harmful!
Consider beliefs that actually HARM others. Consider beliefs that HARM one's self. Should we respect such beliefs? Should we have respected the anti-Semitic beliefs of the Nazis? Should we have respected the slave-owners' beliefs that slaves were not equal to non-slaves? Should we respect the anti-LGBT beliefs of most Christian denominations?
Finally, isn't Nightfable's response to LilBunnyFufu disrespectful of LilBunnyFufu's beliefs? Clinton Doherty said:The thing is lilbunny is that it is for us to respect all believes. If you go against that grain then you gonna attract this kinda energy in return. Believe me I have been there and you cannot do it. It is hurtfull for others who believe strongly in there hearts about something. Respect is the key... not to force.....
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