Why cant we be friends

[Vaddix]

As the name suggests Ive witnessed alot of hurt feelings on this site. It seems there is a split between the believers and the skeptics. I myself believe some of it, im skeptic about alot of the stuff also.
Now the main problem is that people are getting offended by names being thrown about like sheeple. That particular word has caused quite a stir here. Lets look at the definaition of that word shall we? Sheeple, Sheep, people, Meaning people that follows the flock simply cause well everyones doing it.
Id the say the very fact that most of us are here is becuase we dont follow the general socialistic ideals, making the word sheeple a very redundant term, Especially here.
I myself have been called many things here. Ive been called a sheeple, Ive been called brad''s lapdog for sticking up for him once, although it was a wasted effort cuase they didnt listen regardless.

Now that is out of the way. A message to the skeptics. I enjoy a lot of you being here. You make most conversations more interesting from time to time. However there are a few of you who are just here to try to mock and disprove just about every single thing on this site. People who wont believe anything unless its biting them in the face. Are you kidding? Of course we cant prove it. When has science ever been able to prove spirituality or channeling or things of that nature?
I guess you can look into the Quantum physics work done, Its all theories but they seem pretty believable.
Which brings me to my next question. Why are you here? If only to mock and try to disprove everything. You might as well hit up a hardcore Christian convention and spout that the King Edward version of the bible has been greatly edited and watered down. Its practically missing the entire book of Enoch. You wouldn't get very far would you? because most hardcore Christians are pretty loyal when it comes to their beliefs. Just like us i suppose, And also like them we cant prove it so you wont get any answers from us.

To the people who are getting so worked up about being called names. You are lightworkers are you not? You do believe in unconditional love don't you? Are we not suppost to be understanding? Why do you get so worked up when somebody calls you an immature name like sheeple? Why cant you just shrug it off and say" hey cant win em all". I mean according to our beliefs, we are all the same person, living out infinite experiences to learn more about oneself. Surely you can understand that these people are just incarnations of you having a bit more trouble believing this stuff than you do.

Now don't get me wrong i don't want to favor one side over the other. Ive seen names calling from both sides. I myself have said things im not proud of. but Ive realized my mistake and i hope they will forgive me. So Im just saying keep it respectful people. And try not to get so butthurt if people are calling each other names. In the end it doesn't really matter if you win the argument or not.

[RL]

we need an ice cream sponsor over here methinks.

[iDom]

I'm pretty sure that's also what many Israelis and Palestinians are asking themselves too: "Why can't we be friends".

Pattern? … Absoloodle. Stands in two words: Belief System.

[Vaddix]

iDom said:

I'm pretty sure that's also what many Israelis and Palestinians are asking themselves too: "Why can't we be friends".

Pattern? … Absoloodle. Stands in two words: Belief System.

Are you refering to the skeptics and the beleivers as being palestine and isreal? Nah man something has been fueling that fire for a long ass time. yeah its belief systems. But we here are not raised to hate other cuase they think differently. Though some people here do. But whats that got to do with having people just chill out a little and stop being so upset? I see what you man about Israel and Palestine, But we are not Israel and Palestine.
You wanna know my belief system? " I do good, i feel good. I do bad i fell bad. You'll probably recognize that one.

[Vaddix]

Rebel Saint said:

"However there are a few of you who are just here to try to mock and disprove just about every single thing on this site."

It would certainly be nice if they kept the mockery on SOSOE; it really doesn't add anything to this site. Skepticism, on the other hand, does.

What wrong with what i said there. I it would be nice if mockery was kept to a minimum.

[Vaddix]

Vaddix said:

Rebel Saint said:

"However there are a few of you who are just here to try to mock and disprove just about every single thing on this site."

It would certainly be nice if they kept the mockery on SOSOE; it really doesn't add anything to this site. Skepticism, on the other hand, does.

sorry i misread your reply. my bad rebel What wrong with what i said there. I it would be nice if mockery was kept to a minimum.

[Vaddix]

I really don't want to offend anyone, cause i truly am curios. If you guys don't believe any of the stuff that we do then why are you here? I mean im cool with it if you guys are interested in this stuff or even a little of it. Even if you are just curios about this stuff im cool with it, but i just cant fathom what going through your minds if you cant believe any of this and remain here. What is the point if you don't agree with anything?
Its really is like hitting up any other religious or spiritual site and picking holes in all their beliefs.
can someone explain? cause it puzzles me. I'm usually quite good at reading what going through peoples minds based on a number of factors. But this one just had me stumped.
Is it that you came here interested, didn't like our views, and got incredibly ticked off knowing that not all of us are happy when you pick apart our beliefs, and have retaliated quite negatively to what your are saying?
Once again this deosnt apply to us all, Im really sorry if it offended anybody. By no means do i want anybody to leave Saviors of earth, I just wanted to get a handle on your mindset, cause its just something im not understanding.

[Vaddix]

Thanks for clearing that up. You have a good point there. I dont think anyone will bann you for that statement considering the context of the conversation. You have every right to be here. Sorry i didn't see it that way, I suppose that idea never occurred to me.

SOSoe said:

At the risk of being banned for my defense of skepticism, I would like to offer you an explanation for why I am on SOE despite my skepticism of the majority of the beliefs presented here. To put it simply, I firmly stand by my opinion that progress is made by challenging belief. I firmly stand by my opinion that knowledge is a far greater facilitator of freedom than belief. And I firmly stand by my opinion that if it weren't for the challengers of belief before us, we would still believe that the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and disease is caused by evil possession.
Thanks for clearing that up. You have a good point. An added note: do not confuse skepticism (a studied attitude of questioning and doubt) with disbelief (refusing to believe). For example, agnosticism does not equal atheism. Vaddix said:

I really don't want to offend anyone, cause i truly am curios. If you guys don't believe any of the stuff that we do then why are you here? I mean im cool with it if you guys are interested in this stuff or even a little of it. Even if you are just curios about this stuff im cool with it, but i just cant fathom what going through your minds if you cant believe any of this and remain here. What is the point if you don't agree with anything?
Its really is like hitting up any other religious or spiritual site and picking holes in all their beliefs. can someone explain? cause it puzzles me. I'm usually quite good at reading what going through peoples minds based on a number of factors. But this one just had me stumped. Is it that you came here interested, didn't like our views, and got incredibly ticked off knowing that not all of us are happy when you pick apart our beliefs, and have retaliated quite negatively to what your are saying? Once again this deosnt apply to us all, Im really sorry if it offended anybody. By no means do i want anybody to leave Saviors of earth, I just wanted to get a handle on your mindset, cause its just something im not understanding.

[MysticalEnigma]

I think most of here aren't here for beliefs, but to gain knowledge. To share our experiences, to teach what they know, and to grow pretty much as you do believing that most things here are not true. That is your choice, and I'll be the first to agree that this choice and you should be respected. But many skip over the other side of that medal and respect people whether they are skeptics AND whether they are not.

The first problem here, isn't believing or knowing per se. I want ascension to happen, at least my understanding of ascension. And if this is to happen I want to know and to know, I do like you, I look around, ask questions, make my own conclusions based on the answers I get. Many "skeptics" come here, ask their questions and get insulted, I won't deny that, I've seen it happen myself, but all my skeptic questions, I asked, I asked in a way not to challenge beliefs, or to tell them "ok, sell me your stuff, see if I byte into it." but rather, as a quest for knowledge. All my questions were respectfully answered. And some of these questions were the same questions I've seen asked by people, but asked in a very different way. I'm still here, I never got reprimanded for any of my questions, never got challenged to prove my beliefs or my knowledge either.

But this seperations that are being made, between beliefs, and knowledge, shouldn't exist, because whether I am looking for an answer to question because I believe in a certain thing, or whether I am looking for an answer because I know, or because I want to know, all that doesn't matter, what does matter is that I'm looking for an answer to a question. And if I find the answer, It won't matter whether yuo (or anyone else) wants to know because they believe, or want to know just for the sake of adding to their knowledge, I will share the answer I find in the best way I can, religion, belief system, believer in Mayan calenders, witchcraft, atheists, all that doesn't matter, what matters is the question, and it's answer. That's the way I see this place here. and although I'm not here to tell anyone how to ask questions, I am proof that asking the question (no matter how skeptic the question is) the right way, yields the right answer. :)....

Is everyone here like this (of the regulars) probably not, we're all people, we're all different, we're all looking for different answers to different questions. And in accepting where everybody comes from, what they believe and don't believe in, by respecting that, on both sides of the questions (the one asking and whoever is attempting to answer the question) whether we believe or not, whether we believe in some of it or not, we can all come out, and the end of the question and answer, as better people, and learn from the answer. but of course it starts with respect and that has no religion, color, sex orientation or political or other guidelines, respect is just that, respect. :)

My two cents. :)

SOSoe said:

At the risk of being banned for my defense of skepticism, I would like to offer you an explanation for why I am on SOE despite my skepticism of the majority of the beliefs presented here. To put it simply, I firmly stand by my opinion that progress is made by challenging belief. I firmly stand by my opinion that knowledge is a far greater facilitator of freedom than belief. And I firmly stand by my opinion that if it weren't for the challengers of belief before us, we would still believe that the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and disease is caused by evil possession.
An added note: do not confuse skepticism (a studied attitude of questioning and doubt) with disbelief (refusing to believe). For example, agnosticism does not equal atheism. Vaddix said:

I really don't want to offend anyone, cause i truly am curios. If you guys don't believe any of the stuff that we do then why are you here? I mean im cool with it if you guys are interested in this stuff or even a little of it. Even if you are just curios about this stuff im cool with it, but i just cant fathom what going through your minds if you cant believe any of this and remain here. What is the point if you don't agree with anything?
Its really is like hitting up any other religious or spiritual site and picking holes in all their beliefs. can someone explain? cause it puzzles me. I'm usually quite good at reading what going through peoples minds based on a number of factors. But this one just had me stumped. Is it that you came here interested, didn't like our views, and got incredibly ticked off knowing that not all of us are happy when you pick apart our beliefs, and have retaliated quite negatively to what your are saying? Once again this deosnt apply to us all, Im really sorry if it offended anybody. By no means do i want anybody to leave Saviors of earth, I just wanted to get a handle on your mindset, cause its just something im not understanding.