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wow cool. watch iron sky, that was a funny film, but this definatly makes me think of it!
Yes, I have to comment on this one...
1) there are very few surviving WWII submarine 'defenses', and all of them were either nets or underwater obstacles made of steel, designed to either halt the submarine or puncture its hull.
2) WWII submarines did not use radar underwater. The system was too new and too unreliable to be used while submerged. All submerged detection was done via acoustic means, meaning either ASDIC, sonar, or directional listening devices.
3) Wire mesh can, if properly configured, play merry havoc with radar. This is through a process known as 'backscattering' which confuses the radar with a variety of ghost returns. The principle of this is well understood these days, and is most often applied in air defense where canisters of aluminium strips (known as 'chaff') are jettisoned to confuse incoming radar guided missiles. This process /cannot/ in any way, shape or form disturb elctrical equipment since it does not do anything but provide a physical barrier through which radar waves cannot pass or are deflected away.
4) The preferred method of denying shipping lanes used by the Germans in WWII was deploying magnetic mines. These mines would be either air dropped or deployed by a ship, weighted down to lurk a few feet under the surface. Once a ship passed close enough, it would disturb the magpistol detonator through its magnetic field. All metallic vessels create, after all, their own minute magnetic field. This mine would then detonate, often under the keel of the ship. This explosion would either cripple the vessel, hole it, or break its keel.
5) There has never been any mention, in literature, research or historic record, of structures designed and built by the Germans on the seabed with intent of denying enemy submarines. Throughout the entire war, the kriegsmarine held as doctrine that the only defense against allied vessels, either surface or submerged, was the wolfpack.
6) In the early years of the war, the German war machine lacked the knowhow to construct /anything/ 60 feet deep under the surface of the sea. In the latter years, it had neither the knowhow, inclination or materials to do so.
7) The area has no more strategic importance to the Reich than any other province under its control. Ballbearings for the tanks (which the original article claims was the commodity being shipped) were mass produced in the Ruhr valley and could easily be produced elsewhere. It is not an involved process. German tanks were running out of engines, guns, road wheels and ammunition. There was never, nor would there ever be, a shortage of ball bearings. Supply of other war critical material would have taken priority over the shipping of ball bearings, especially considering the prohibitive cost (in materials and manpower) of building /under the sea/.
Any more experts on this matter? I don't know what it is, but I damned well know what it isn't. And it isn't a German submarine defense post. No such beast ever built, can we move on to something sensible now?
I know most of you avoid facebook, but I have my personal reason 'to be there'. There is the 'Ocean Explorer - X Team' an official group in facebook where people give their opinions on this matter. There are all sort of crazy things, of course, but some people come up with very interesting hypothesis. Also, the Xteam and divers are always posting their personal opinions and updates on the second trip there. If anyone is interested, here's the group page:
Ullan, I hope you don't mind if I post your comment about the anti-submarine hypothesis. I won't put your name (or mine!!!).
Of course I love the idea of being an UFO/USO, but I think it might be a pre stone age construction. I don't think it's a natural formation. We might never know for sure, especially if it is something really amazing.
I don't mind at all.
Lots of people there agree with your comment.
Apparently they are having even more problems with their equipment this time round.
Dennis Åsberg (from the team that is exploring the 'Baltic Anomaly') just confirmed that five military ships were present at the second expedition. Could they still be there investigating the site? Unfortunately he didn't mention the nationality of these military ships.
Thx Simmy & Ullan for this good conversation with updates :-) yes why the military intervention?
Ur both really upon good information!
Thx Bishop I don't know iron sky, i will sure look for it on utube ;-)
Why the military presence? Potential liability.
At this point in time, not a lot is known about this 'anomaly' on the sea bed. All that's known is that it has a tendency to make equipment malfunction in close proximity, that it's made out of some sort of stone, and looks like it's artificial.
In a certain kind of mind, that translates into 'military applications'. Because the team has been very sketchy with accurate positioning, it's hard to tell if this thing is close to any major shipping lanes, or if it's still within territorial waters. Even if it isn't in international waters, allied ships can come and go as they please, and the area is frequently used for NATO exercises.
I think the presence of military vessels can be explained by following the usual flowchart of military intelligence decision making:
1) Can we get to it?
2) Do we know what it is?
3) If we don't know what it is, does someone else know?
4) If nobody knows what it is, could it be a military object? (insert that damnable NAZI sub trap article here)
5) Can it be completely ruled out that this is a military object?
6) If it cannot be completely ruled out that this object /is/ military, can it be completely ruled out that it is a weapon?
7) If no to the above, can we potentially exploit this?
Nobody will be so crass as to use the term 'UFO' or 'USO'. It will be referred to as 'technically challenging salvage with potential military applications'. Because it has been proven not to be a shipwreck, it cannot be safeguarded and it cannot be claimed. If other ships know it's around, then it's sadly a free for all.
In the most generous terms, we can choose to believe that the military ships were there to protect the dive team from potentially violent rivals seeking to exploit the discovery for their own. However, it may be just as likely that they're just waiting for a chance to send a team down themselves.
This is a compilation of facts from their facebook page:
UPDATE: July 23, 2012 - The Ocean X team still does not know what the object is. It will take time to understand and analyze the data. The test results sample stone covered in magma substance, collected on last expedition, is not back yet. They managed to get a sample of the circle object (not in the location they wanted) with a jack hammer. The 2nd anomaly and the volcano-like anomaly were not investigated on this last expedition, due to the fact that some equipment malfunction and because the Baltic Sea is very murky with a lot of sediment. Also, diving time is short - maximum 20 minutes. The crew experienced some bad weather, but also had some good days. The Ocean X Team has stated that this current project is now limited on funds. The costs average approximately 7000 € per day! Sponsorship funding is now critical for further research expeditions.
Perfectly round object made of a "rock-like" substance.
Perfect dome shape.
It has rounded sides with rugged edges (not smooth). "It's like someone has pinched the mountain at the edge, as if you have moulded together two molds, and it sticks out stones between the molds", said Stefan Hogeborn." (taken from article on Expressen.se)
There is a wedge formed gap between the upper part (the circle) and the lower part (foundation/pillar). However, if the two parts are completely separated or if the upper part and the lower part are the same object has not been clarified“ (See image: http://www.oceanexplorer.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/image-object... )
200ft in Diameter. (60 meter)
The object seems to be very very old, rare and something the crew has never seen before.
The surface has cracks on it. There is some unidentifiable black material in the cracks
This is what someone posted about the military ships:
"The logistical problems of it being a UFO from the military side......
"Oh no... Swedish treasure hunters have discovered a cement coated UFO.... what do we do to cover this up?"......
Well the conspiracy theorists would have us believe it will be gone by morning but would it really? It is the size of a 747 and weighs at least 30,000 tonnes and is at a depth of around 90 meters....... and suddenly even the military have a problem with covering this up.
Problem 1..... The weight....... it is simply too large to lift out of the water without possibly bringing in one of the largest salvage teams in the world to crane it out and even then it may not be possible. You also have to work with a public contractor and not a military one and risk information leaks, plus covering up where they are and what they are doing for several days will be tricky.
Problem 2 ...... The depth....... It lays too deep for divers to work for long periods or successfully. ROV's are usable but with the sediment so active to slight movements you are restricting their use to a crawl. To work down there doing anything that on the surface would take a lot of time, will take at least 10 or more times longer. Even if they were to cut this thing up into pieces, it would literally take months of diving to do and would require a ship (or ships) located and protecting the site for the duration. Not easy to cover up when it is an active waterway.
Problem 3...... The size........ It is a concrete equivalent of a 747! First off, if you could raise it out of the water, what will you place it on? It will NOT fit on 99% of vessels in the world. The largest military vessel available is an Aircraft Carrier and I am not even sure if its too wide to fit on the deck of one of them. Even if it were possible (and it could support the weight) how on earth would they travel back to anywhere with it concealed? There will be some amateur photographer somewhere in the world seeing this huge object the size of an jumbo jet sitting under wraps on an aircraft carrier! Plus it would have to go to a port or probably a naval base to be hidden away!
From there..... what can they do? It is simply too big to use any known aircraft as it is actually bigger than most aircraft and that doesn't even factor into the weight of it. Trains and trucks are completely ruled out because you simply cannot tow a 30,000 tonne circle the size of a 747 down a freeway without closing all 8 lanes and you would probably need dozens of trucks to pull it. A train is just too thin to carry it too, you would have to landscape 40% of the train route to make it able to pass through and the weight again is a factor. So it would HAVE to be cut up into smaller sections!
So to conclude, if the military were to cover this up they would most likely have to stop any ships coming within 500 meters of the location and cut the item up into smaller transportable chunks that could take months of diving. Nothing else practically exists to remove it other than this method and I think the moment any military authority attempts to close down a location it is going to fuel conspiracies and raise questions amongst governments as to what that particular government is doing there and why they are not involved! And of course the longer they take diving and cutting it up, he higher the chance of them being found out.
So if it WERE to be a UFO...... the conspiracy of keeping it all hushed up and quiet from the world may prove as near-impossible a task as it is for the OX team to work out what it is!"