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Wednesday, 19 November 2014

Earth Hoax? - Part 1 of 2. Don't Spin Out!

After 40 hours or so intense research and contemplation I seek to condense and simplify some of what I've found thus far.   Obviously I've spent much of this time looking at different angles and trying to actually 'debunk' what first appears as an incredulous theory or belief.   I'm really looking for someone to debunk this - so if you laugh (as I did, and still do) - prove it wrong, and pull me out of this rabbit hole of fun and laughter :-)

If you are not able to look at information openly, or if you are not going to look at the information in order, or if you are not aware of NASA's links to Project Paperclip, Freemasonry, and lies, then this article is not for you.....too much of a leap.


For millenia man thought the world was flat, and then around 300BC some Greek dudes got into the first debates about Geocentric (spherical Stationary Earth in the middle of the Solar System)   versus the Heliocentric model (spherical Sun in the middle and earth spinning around it). 

Ptolem and Aristotle around 200AD went on to develop and push the Geocentric model into the minds of the made sense.

Then over a 1500 years later, in the 16th and 17th Centuries, Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton, added to the Heliocentric model, one that we all pretty much use to this day.  It explained retrograde motions better, and went away from the words in the Bible, causing a revolution of thought.  It should be noted here that Heliocentric and Geocentric models were and are both theories, and also to be noted is that Newton was a magician, occultist, and alchemist, more than he was a scientist.

Good, calm, nice and easy....breath......because things are going to get pretty crazy real soon.....a light hors d'oeuvres for anyone getting bored?   Why the hell not.

Moving on, in the mid 19th Century a French dude spun some pendulums about in  a Church in Paris, in some strings, and this cemented the Heliocentric thought into society, and "proved" the earth spun on itself, and spun around the Sun (hehehehe).  This event became known as “Foucault Pendulums."   Obviously, there are many authors and scholars now that question a whole host of parameters in this event and experiment, but mainstream science still points to this event as the key to the Heliocentric model.......over a century ago.....heheh. 

As the 20th century came about - schools and mainstream science started to push Heliocentricity into young children as fact;  that the earth spins upon itself at a whopping 1000mph (at the equator, which is nearly 20 miles a second), spins around the sun at a whopping 67,000mph,  and that the Sun is heading towards Lyra at another 28,000 mph or a galaxy of billions of stars, in a universe of billions of galaxies.....with not even a ripple on the surface of ones tea.
in 2014, 99.9999% of humans believe this ......that's good - blog over - bye.....

Errr,  No they don't actually....some sporadic pockets of lunatics are starting to raise their heads with puzzled looks.


Because there is a lot of modern intelligence, maths, research, and video technology that goes against it.   Also, the Heliocentric model helps to disconnect people, and it supports the theory of 'random evolution,' and takes away notions of intelligent creation.  If one was at the centre of the galaxy (Geocentric model) on a stationary earth, that kind of puts everything on it's head and makes one a little more special.   Note: I say centre of the Galaxy due to the celestial ball of stars revolving around the north pole - which would have to be the case if we were in a Geocentric model.

We’re each entitled to our own opinion, but not to our own facts, so lets plug on.....

The official "opinion" on why the earth spins in today's world is this:    "Earth spins because of the way it was formed. Our solar system formed about 4.6 billion years ago when a huge cloud of gas and dust started to collapse under its own gravity. As the cloud collapsed, it started to spin. Some of the material within this cloud gathered into swirling eddies and eventually formed into planets. As the planets formed they kept this spinning motion.  This is similar to what you see when skaters pull in their arms and spin faster.  As material gathered in more closely to form a planet, like Earth, the material spun faster. The Earth keeps on spinning because there are no forces acting to stop it.

Note:  Space dust?  Meteorites?  Space junk?   A satellite taking off or landing?  Tsunami's or Earthquakes pushing tectonic plates west? - All no, not even one mph has changed in millions of years we are told.

Heliocentrists claim with a straight face that their Earth spins at a constant velocity dragging the atmosphere in such a manner as to perfectly cancel all centrifugal, gravitational, and inertial forces so we do not feel the tiniest bit of motion, perturbation, wind or air resistance!
"Astronomers say the magical magnetism of gravity is what keeps all the oceans of the world stuck to the ball-Earth.  They say that because the Earth is so massive, by virtue of this mass it creates a magic force able to hold people, oceans and atmosphere tightly clung to the underside of the spinning ball.  Unfortunately, however, they cannot provide any practical example of this on a scale smaller than the planetary.  For example, a spinning wet tennis ball has the exact opposite effect of the supposed ball-Earth! Any water poured over it simply falls off the sides,  and giving it a spin results in water flying off 360 degrees like a dog shaking after a bath.  Astronomers concede the wet tennis ball example displays the opposite effect of their supposed ball-Earth, but claim that at some unknown 
mass, the magic adhesive properties of gravity suddenly kick in allowing the spinning wet tennis ball-Earth to keep every drop of “gravitized” water stuck to the surface.  Again, their theory flies in the face of all practical evidence, but they have been running with it for 500 years, so why stop now?"  Eric Dubay, Author.

At my school they explained gravity by filling a bucket of water and getting a pupil to spin it around themself without any water spilling.......err, this is the opposite motion to what is happening on earth.....heheh.

Here's some information to get us up and going.......You may have to watch these twice and think about it.

Everyone thinks that the atmosphere rotates too (hehe), but nobody really knows at what altitude this stops being the case.  Some say 100km up, known as the kármán line, where by most definitions the atmosphere ends and outer space begins.   So then, could you please explain to me how the air over all its densities up to 100km keeps to the exact speed of the rotating Earth?  E.g. Low air slower and high air faster (as further to travel). 

Could you also explain to me how clouds go in different directions - and how trade winds at different heights also go in different directions.  You will be amazed to know that this has NEVER been explained.     Repetition when 7 or 8 years old goes deep into the subbie conscious.

"Why can we feel the slightest westward breeze but not the Earth’s incredible supposed 1,000 mph Eastward spin!?  And how is it that the magic velcro of gravity is strong enough to drag miles of Earth’s atmosphere along, but weak enough to allow little bugs, birds, clouds and planes to travel freely unabated in any direction?"  Eric Dubay, Author.

“If the earth is at a given point in space on say January 1st, and according to present-day science, at a distance of 190,000,000 miles from that point six months afterwards, it follows that the relative  position and directions of the stars will have greatly changed, however small the angle of parallax may be. That this great change is nowhere apparent and has never been observed incontestably proves that the earth is at rest - that it does not move in an orbit round the sun.”  -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny”

If you look below, modern mainstream science say that if you stand on the north pole you will spin around on the spot - why has nobody then ever filmed this somehow from an above satellite and sped it up?  This would prove the Heliocentric model.   Why are there no-fly zones and UN protection of the Arctic and Antarctic?  (More on this in part 2).
"Ah, what about Seasons and the procession of the equinox then?"   In the strange Heliocentric model, heat from the sun travels over 90 million miles to get here, but how come just a couple more thousand miles (due to the earth's tilt) can give tropical summers and arctic winters?   

To explain seasons in the Geocentric model, the Sun would slowly go up and down on a spiral over  365 days - as it goes around the earth daily.  The sun in this model is a lot closer to us (even closer to us than Mars).  The celestial ball of stars around the solar system wobbles instead of the earth, keeping the precession of the equinox', but shifting the cause.

Not super relevant, but I like it.  The ancient mystical system of the Tree of life from Qabalah also to this day presents the Geocentric model.

If this blog has raised some questions, or seems too simplistic, for a deeper more complex walkthrough, look here, and also witness the attempts at debunk in the comments sections.
Heliocentric Theory is Wrong Part 1.
Heliocentric Theory is Wrong Part 2.

“If the Government or NASA had said to you that the Earth is stationary, imagine that. And then imagine we are trying to convince people that 'no, no it's not stationary, it's moving forward at 32 times rifle bullet speed and spinning at 1,000 miles per hour.' We would be laughed at! We would have so many people telling us 'you are crazy, the Earth is not moving!' We would be ridiculed for having no scientific backing for this convoluted moving Earth theory. And not only that but then people would say, 'oh then how do you explain a fixed, calm atmosphere and the Sun's observable movement, how do you explain that?' Imagine saying to people, 'no, no, the atmosphere is moving also but is somehow magically velcroed to the moving-Earth. The reason is not simply because the Earth is stationary.' So what we are actually doing is what makes sense. We are saying that the moving-Earth theory is nonsense. The stationary-Earth theory makes sense and we are being ridiculed. You've got to picture it being the other way around to realize just how RIDICULOUS this situation is. This theory from the Government and NASA that the Earth is rotating and orbiting and leaning over and wobbling is absolute nonsense and yet people are clinging to it, tightly, like a teddy bear. They just can't bring themselves to face the possibility that the Earth is stationary though ALL the evidence shows it: we feel no movement, the atmosphere hasn't been blown away, we see the Sun move from East-to-West, everything can be explained by a motionless Earth without bringing in all these assumptions to cover up previous assumptions gone bad.” 
Allen Daves

Personally, this whole blog is just a starter and primer for part 2, and one can go even deeper in Part 3 and Part 4.


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Comment by Besimi on April 29, 2015 at 1:29am
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Comment by Besimi 13 minutes ago
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Hey Ken Harris :), confused or not,we just trying to know the real truth about our world shape. Cause if this turns out to be true (as a Flat Earth,as it seems), we than got to ''re-visit '' most of the New Age infos,cause never we heard from any-one (ascended masters,all channelings, & all unseen ones,ect) about this Flat shape , ..we were told mostly that Earth is a Hollow Globe ,that's it.
--- ,anyway, ....Checking Air-Flights is a good example to know that something here,about globe thing , is very wrong.
...never forgot the flight I had from Sweden to Miami ,when we flew nearby Greenland and over East Canada, ...and I was asking why,cause looking at the globe,we shouldn't fly that way.   ...but actually that was a straight-line ,and the right way to fly.   (if I new than,that globe should be questioned too). 
this is some flight from England to N.Y. ..but you get the idea (look-up scandinavia),and compare this on a regular maps.

and why there is no flights through 'Antarctica' (like this example) ,as they should be this way,if we had a Globe Earth ???
--- I guess that we got to 'Un-Learn ,and Re-Learn' a lot :) , and that is a very disturbing & hard to chew, indeed, ...cause we are those ones that posted/shared lot of infos for years and years. (over 5000 posts myself only)...and if we shared any wrong infos,I'm Not comfortable with that.   And I will 'Unlearn & Relearn' anything I see needed, ..I got to ,I'm Not going to hold on to any old knowledge ,just because I posted it that way. I will change,all  infos  that need change.  Period.  :) Namaste. 

Comment by Kevin L Lyerla 2 hours ago
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William my friend lets take satellite telescopes from them you can tell all the planets and sun are round.  Even earth based telescopes can tell that other planets and moos are round and that meteors and asteroids can take on different shapes.  Plus we have footage from space missions that prove the world is round.

Comment by Ken Harris 3 hours ago
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Besimi, your video posted below uses a flat map that is not even representative of the actual continental locations to determine a straight line distance (which would travel under the surface), when in fact the true distance is that measured over the surface. It uses bad assumptions, bad math, and bad base data. The video is just another attempt to confuse the already confused.

Comment by WILLIAM 3 hours ago
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Hi ! KEVIN....regarding your yesterday´s comment, would you be kind enough to explain a little more your  view?  I could´nt get it clear. thanks in advance my dear friend.

Comment by WILLIAM 12 hours ago
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Comment by Kevin L Lyerla 17 hours ago
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If Earth was flat it would show up on the telescopes around the world.  Just like all the other planets and the sun

Comment by Besimi 18 hours ago
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this is a very simple way to tell that Earth is Not a Globe. Using some simple measurings !!!!

Comment by WILLIAM 23 hours ago
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Comment by WILLIAM 23 hours ago
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SYBILLE, agree with you. right, anybody mention the other side of the flat Earth, of course if it is the case, one ilustration shows  like it is nothing but a big big mineral base, and the,  I would imaging vegetable kingdom, animal, and humans.  

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Comment by Besimi on April 23, 2015 at 1:54pm
Comment by sybille murphy yesterday
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You guys make me laugh.  And i mean no disrespect.  I think it is funny because the inquisition killed and tortured people for their beliefs.  And now we are here getting angry at each other.

Personally, my simple mind says: who cares, round of flat.  Earth is big with lots of room for all of us.  And it is still beautiful, round or flat.  If it was flat, we had not even noticed.

What i would like to know, what does the other side look like?  Dark side of the moon = dark side of earth?  Whether round or flat, it is still earth with all its beauty.

Maybe i am too naive.  I would really like to see the other side of earth.  NOBODY asked that question.

Yes, we are programmed, how much, i guess i do not know.  How do you know what you don't know?

My husband thinks i am not quite right in my head to even consider a flat earth.  I do would like to know so i can thumb my nose at the others.

I am more interested in what would change if the earth was flat?

Comment by Bob Figueria yesterday
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 Isn't it interesting how the effects of negative social programming can take us out of our true character.  

Comment by Ken Harris yesterday
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I read Conor's comment Corina, he was out of line and properly chastised by Paris for saying it. You made a statement as fact, a statement that was incorrect and I merely stated the correct information. Since this is an open forum, and since incorrect information was posted, I do have the right to make a post of my own correcting that information. There was no butting in. And just for the record, I regularly read all the comments of posts that I have an interest in or find so spectacularly out there that I have to see just who is witless enough to buy into the hype.

While I never specifically called you a name, I did infer that because you are making such a big issue out of nothing that perhaps you felt slighted at someone telling the truth. As for me not being directly addressed, I beg to differ , since you opened your comments with my name in the first sentence (which most writers will agree is the subject sentence of a paragraph, and in most cases to name a subject in the opening paragraph indicates the subject of the entire essay). So, you addressed me specifically, probably because you took offense at being corrected.

You state that my words do not hurt you at all, yet you must respond with righteous indignation to the words Conor states which did not even include you. If my words did not hurt you why would you respond with accusations that you could not know if they were true or not ( alluding that I had not read the comments before or after mine). 

My very first comment was impersonal, My second corrected an error, My third was in response to an attack, this one is calling you out on your self righteous, greater than thou, I AM enlightened attitude, because no lightworker who is truly one with the universe would wear their status on their sleeve like a merit badge. 

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Ken, I was not claiming that you called anyone idiot. In that phrase I was talking about Conor whom commented below your coment and mine. If you would've taken the time to read his coment before posting your coment, you would've noticed that even in my first post I wasn't talking to you at all; you just butted in. In your second coment, you did called me names, without any reason at all, but I wont give you the pleasure of arguing about that. Please read the coments carefuly next time, before you butt in. I've only mentioned your name into my second post but even my second post wasnt addresed to you only up until my second phrase.

You want to twist and turn words around so it will give you a reason to found the wrong person, because I wont give you the pleasure of arguing with you.

I do know who I Am, and so.......your words do not hurt me at all. Actualy, Ken, your words say a lot about you, not me.

Have a nice day!

Comment by Ken Harris yesterday
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First of all Corina, I never called anyone an Idiot, but I'm sure if the shoe fits.........! Just because certain scientists in specific areas of study have had difficulty in publishing their works, or worse been ostracized by their fellow scientists during the requisite peer review, doesn't mean that the truth is totally hidden. If that were the case there would be no more scientific advancement since earlier discoveries, which later discoveries and advancements are built upon, would be kept secret and hidden from the minds of new scientists as they grow from childhood.

You seem to have this problem thinking me or all of us commenting about a post on a blog site to which we are all members are calling you stupid. Since I personally have not done so and merely pointed out incorrect facts you included in a comment (in a fairly nice way I thought) then I can only surmise that you ,in fact, do think that you are. As Shakespeare once said " me thinks thou doest protest to much".

BTW, there were many thousands of years between the "beginning" and the "Inquisition", In the beginning people did in fact BELIEVE the Earth was flat, During the Inquisition when science was in it's infancy (as far as this age of humanity is concerned), the Earth being round and revolving around the sun was a new discovery which the church refuted and punished by death. However, as more PROOF became available and went Mainstream (much like the internet mainstreams the truth about our current situation), it soon became a FACT that the Earth is round, very much like our sister planets revolving around the sun with us.

Since I don't watch TV, am a scientist at heart and mind, observe the planets and stars extensively, and am deeply attached to mother Earth physically as well as spiritually, I can tell you with the absolute truth that the earth is quite round, although the mother does say that she is so old she has developed a bit of a bulge around her midsection. 

You said  "Everyone likes to think that they have evolved and that they are the awakened ones, but yet we are not even capable to talk nice to each other." Tell you what start first and the rest of us will join you!

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What is "FACT" and "REALITY", Ken? Is it what "they" tell us in text books and on TV?


Scientists have been controlled for centuries. They are told what they can and cannot publish as truths and if they don't comply.....they are dispossed of in no time.

It is just rude and insensible to call people idiots for posting something. Everyone has the right to post, but I don't thing anyone has the right to call them idiots or stupid for posting something that it doesn't sit right with their belief system.

Everyone likes to think that they have evolved and that they are the awakened ones, but yet we are not even capable to talk nice to each other.

A realy inteligent and awakened person knows how to state the "truth" in which they believe, in a nice manner without "putting" the others down.

And Ken, at the beggining, people did believe that the Earth was flat. I believe that everyone should do their own research and draw their own conclusions; and if they don't like what others post, just don't watch the video, is as simple as that.

Comment by Anthony Sweeney yesterday
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THIS CRAZY NOTION- the flat earth revolution


This is all quite new to me but this young painter man is just great in my opinion. So convincing and yet a naturally funny man but I don't mean that in a derogative way I am fully respecting him but he has a very human way of expressing this stuff that just makes me laugh.

This sounds true to me as the final huge conspiracy being waged over humanity.

He is an artist, a rebel and a warrior, a comedian and all these attributes appeal to I think the same in me.

Good luck and God Bless him, he has my support. 

Comment by Bob Figueria on Tuesday
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Thats a near perfect assessment Ken.  After 20 years of research while working for Siemens Optoelectronics I've learned that theres no such thing as a ray of light.  Light is actually a wave function that emits in a straight line but does so only in the absense of atmosphere.   

Earths atmosphere consists of oxygen and H2O molecules that have mass so they're influenced by gravity and since light travels thru the air as a medium just as light travels thru a fiber optic filement,  light refracts thru the bending atmosphere.  

I had raised this point to the creator of one of the Flat Earth videos above when he stated that.. "they tested a lasar on lake Michigan and saw no diffection". 

All that flat Earth nonsense aside, I've come up with a theory that suggests, ..if they create doubt in everyones mind about everything in our observed reality,  perhaps we'll begin to question the truth about everything  humanity is currently awakening to ..such as the constructs created by religion and by the worlds governments.  

I believe its just a new twist on the social pyschology used to control humanity for centuries.

Comment by Ken Harris on Tuesday
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Actually Corina, It was the other way around. People were killed for expressing the FACT that the Earth was round which went contrary to the long held belief the church held as official. Intelligent people look at Facts,m and the fact is satellite photographs of the earth from space toss all the flat earth postulates out the door with the other long held incorrect beliefs. The theories this video attempts to validate are based on incorrect measurements and overlook the fact that gravity bends light as it travels along the surface, often times giving the impression that the earth is indeed flat. Any good scientist would look at all possibilities before forwarding a postulate as accepted truth.

Comment by Corina on Tuesday
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Inteligent people of this world, consider all possibilities!!!!! We have been lied to about almost everything! During the inqusition, a lot of people were executed for claiming that the Earth was flat, I wonder why were they killed?

Comment by Besimi on April 23, 2015 at 1:53pm
Comment by Paris Nite on Monday
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I'm not sure it is nice to call people  "idiots' for posting things. Everyone has the right to post. People can either believe or not. Conor

Comment by conor mc cloud on Sunday
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one word for this guy and the idiot that posted it,  retards, and before you all start its not that I did,nt listen to it all or that I don,t agree with it.   its called facts and havin the brain to understand a fact when you see it.   I guess its the education system to blame , allowing people to finish school and go out into the world with an uneducated brain,   And no I am not being rude or disrepecful,  I am tryin to help these unfortunate people.

Comment by WILLIAM on Saturday
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Comment by WILLIAM on Friday
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I tried to send you all part one but it said  tha page does´nt exist, but you will get it from the following link in part 2. Thanks BESIMI for sharing. 

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Yes, SYBILLE, the firmament, let me share with you all a very unusual experience that I had 15 years ago. I was staring at the sky with a friend of mine, on top of the roof of our house, in Mexico City, it was about 10 pm, I was watching a "star"and suddenly starts to get bigger and bigger, like if it was traveling towards us, I ran to get  my binoculars, and I saw this two or three like orange rings going round and round and that thing started traveling to my left crossed the entire valley in about 5 seconds until I could´nt see it any more,  I concluded that those space ships or what ever were  pretend to be a star but are not. Regarding the spheric siling up in the sky, I invite you all to travel to the pyramids of Monte Alban, Oaxaca State, there is this pyramid that if you stand right there you can see a perfect sphere as a sky, like if we are inside that sphere, it is a wonderful feeling, I am sure must be several spots on Earth where we can see this. SYBILLE :

Comment by sybille murphy on Friday
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I did contact Mark that has a whole documentary on the subject and what he said made some sense.  We should look at earth as a lense. 

Comment by Besimi on April 23, 2015 at 1:52pm
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When I look up at the moon I see it's round!

Comment by sybille murphy on Friday
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I did contact Mark and what he said did make sense to me and my simple mind.  Talking about masts of ships coming up first at the horizon, yes, since earth is not a slice, it is a disc, like a lense.  So you would see a mast first.

There were a lot more things he said and my question was why did it matter if our earth was round or a disk.  Well, it mattered because of . MONEY.  Yes, big oil, big military, big pharma, would all be affected by the TRUTH.

Comment by sybille murphy on Friday
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Thank you, William, for responding. 

Remember the "firmament"?  I do remember something about that melting and flooding of the firmament.  I cannot remember more but that sticks in my mind.  I do remember reading about that a long time ago.  So, after listening to this it starts to make some sense.

Thank you again.

Comment by WILLIAM on Friday
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The folloing vid, even though the interview is kind of the way around, the host is the interviewed, may explain some regarding the horizon illusion and quite a few more stuff. SYBILLE 

Comment by sybille murphy on April 17, 2015 at 8:39pm
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p.p.s.  I should have read all the comments.

Comment by sybille murphy on April 17, 2015 at 8:38pm
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P.S.  "Expodential" is not a word in my dictionary.

Comment by sybille murphy on April 17, 2015 at 8:37pm
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Thank you, Bob.  This is something i wanted to bring up.  In my case, the mast of a sailing ship coming up first on the horizon.

Personally i have a real hard time with this.

Why should earth be a "disc" when other "heavenly bodies" are round because we did circumvent them?  I am not smart enough to prove or disprove anything, but this sounds very odd to me.

Comment by Bob Figueria on April 17, 2015 at 5:50pm
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It's a little hard to trust the word of someone who claims to know things that fall outside our own observed beliefs, especially when he uses the word, "expodential" in place of the word, ..."exponential".     

While enjoying a day on the Boardwalk, I use one of the powerful coin fed binoculars, when I look across the ocean and see a cargo ship moving towards the coast, I see the highest point of the main exhaust stack before I ever see the hull.. or is that a controlled aspect of the illusion too? 

Maybe its just me but what this sounds like, is an attempt to validate the writings of the bible rather then trying to explain a concept thats totally inexplicable as compared to the observed reality.  

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