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Ok Well this has been on my mind for quite some time. In my thoughts marijuana is not a drug, they tested it and does not cause lung or brain damage. I know that the higher beings say that drugs will lowers your vibration, but technically it is a natural plant that mother earth provides. All past cultures have used this some way or another, if you do your research. But in my personal studies i think it opens your mind to think on different relmes, or a baby sept into a different dimension. I don't want to sound like a drug addict which I'm not at all. I've been doing the best i can to raise my vibration.But the higher ones speak of loving earth and all the it is. And this is very much a part of earth. I'll tell you that my friend would have never gotten through cancer if it was not for this power that this type of plant can hold. So open for talk. What do you think, can it help the mind get you to were you want or no. ?? If you do not want to take part in this topic i understand. NAMESTE.

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Serge said:
Hello peace frog, i can understand your uncertainty to want to bring up this subject. I believe you should enjoy the festive season and in the new year take steps towards making a choice. I too, like many others across the globe, enjoy some marijuana on occasion however as enjoyable as it is, it is a false high, a false enlightenment. It is an escape from reality, from the turmoil and mayhem that we see. Marijuana effects your receptors in your brain. The whole process is very complex which is what our brains and souls are. I believe it clouds your clarity , just like alcohol and any other drugs and forms of entertainment. I like many others enjoy things in life and would not like to change this reality as it is all we know . However , i have learned a lot of late and this is not what are reality is meant to be. I have begun to understand a lot of things and i do believe you have to connect with your soulself and not be influenced by all that you see. Our lives as we know it, are going to be turned upside down so we have to prepare our minds and souls for monumental changes that are to occur. Whether that be through wars, plagues, global catastrophes or FULL DISCLOSURE/STAR NATIONS. As for the lung disease i can't agree with that one. A non smoker and smoker race for I mile as fast as they can. Who do you think is gonna have the better lung capacity to finich the race. Do not believe all that you read. All the best and goodluck

Serge, Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this subject. As for in enlightenment i can get that from my meditation it is a wonderful experience. but when i smoke and meditate its like double that. I brought this subject up because i can feel the same effects in meditation as i do when i'm just smoke with out. So thats why i ask if any body else felt the same. As for lung cancer, i smoke ciggs. every now and then, and smoke other but i can still beat a non smoker in a race any day. running is my favorite thing to do. I dont believe everything i read, people keep telling me this. i just research a lot. on a lot of things. So i dont know if lung caner was any problem in your past. But really it's up to the person if they get lung cancer or not. I'v know smokers for years and have no problems then i'v know people that smoke little but cant breath. Its odd how it works out. But thats my mind on it. And i'm very happy you took the time to share wth us. Thanks again. Merry Christmas. NAMESTE.
Stephen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

Some more information on the subject, not a user myself but if I was to start it looks like a vaporizer is the safest method of ingestion :)

Stephen

Sweet man thank you for this. IT is really interesting. Yeha never used a vaporizer before but ill have to try it. They did this test to see what does effect your lungs when you smoke and it turns out it is the lighter. This one test i heard they did 100 hits out of a bong with a lighter and then took another bong and did 100 hits with a magnifying glass and the one with the lighter, turned the glass all brown and gross. What you see in pipes and stuff. But in the other bong it was clear and brand new looking. So yeah if you can avoid a lighter that works the best. Thank you very much on joying this topic. Have a merry Christmas. Nameste
Wiz of Is said:
Joey said:
BUT since it is addictive *dont say its not. it is* it can cause braindamage or even worse u can harm yourself in a in-direct way. If youre an addict, and you have none.. u get harmfull,annoyed,pissed at everything and everyone. If you look at that way. it is indeed harmfull..
Well acctually it's created by human's, they mutated an earth plant, and in the years it kept absorbing human things. like Co2 and alot more gasses, which over the years it got alterd in such a way, that it eventually became addictive, and able to get "high" from it.AFAIK

*deep breath* You shouldn't make an argument that is false and then say "don't say it's not".

Marijuana has never been proven to be addictive... and unless you're using the broadest sense of addiction, as we know from psychology now that ANY emotion is addictive to a certain extent, you are wrong.
And don't say I'm not right. Prove it.

Also, where did you hear that we engineered marijuana? Sure, in recent years growers have been crossing strains to increase the amounts of THC, but it's not like anyone "made" marijuana.

Finally, marijuana has no withdrawal. People DON'T get angry or anything if they stop. They simply aren't high anymore lol
I know... I almost had a problem with painkillers last year, and the withdrawal from those is very real. You get moody, you get sick, it sucks so much you almost want to take another just to make the withdrawal stop. Being a pot smoker nowadays, I've never had anything close to such a reaction.

Before you state things as fact, try to know what your talking about... I can appreciate your input, but having an uninformed opinion can do more harm than good.


Here's a good article on the spiritual side of mary jane: http://realitysandwich.com/green_underworld_part_1_2

HAha sweet man just the answer i was looking for. Thank you so much for sharing. i dont want to cause any fights on this but you cans handled that well. You know what your talkin about though. And thank you for that link man, that is really cool. If you have any other thoughts on this just send me it in the mail man. Thanks again for jumpin in on this topic. Have a Merry christmas and good new year. NAMESTE
what else can one use? i agree that lighters are gross since you inhale the fumes along with the buds... it'd be awesome if there were pocket magni-lighters!

peace frog said:
Stephen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

Some more information on the subject, not a user myself but if I was to start it looks like a vaporizer is the safest method of ingestion :)

Stephen

Sweet man thank you for this. IT is really interesting. Yeha never used a vaporizer before but ill have to try it. They did this test to see what does effect your lungs when you smoke and it turns out it is the lighter. This one test i heard they did 100 hits out of a bong with a lighter and then took another bong and did 100 hits with a magnifying glass and the one with the lighter, turned the glass all brown and gross. What you see in pipes and stuff. But in the other bong it was clear and brand new looking. So yeah if you can avoid a lighter that works the best. Thank you very much on joying this topic. Have a merry Christmas. Nameste
Dana said:
Basically, If you're using natural drugs to have an experience of higher consciousness, then you really need to be in alignment with that vibration, otherwise you're just getting high. It's like everything else a person would do to raise their consciousness... intention and bringing the experience to your state of being. It's a tool like everything else is, but most drug use is recreational and not in alignment with that state of being. That's pretty much why I think if you're using it as a tool to raise consciousness, it should be in moderation and certainly not a daily occurrence. Also, if you can, try and seek out a shaman or someone who's accustomed to these experiences and can help to set the vibration. I should add, I wouldn't recommend the use of non natural drugs for the raising of consciousness.

I agree with Dana
BlueCosmicNight said:
CO2 is a gas that FEEDS the plants! They are breathing it like we are breathing fresh air. Plants need CO2 for living. "Ecologists" are trying to convience us that CO2 is bad which is basicly twisted. Marijuana is well known since ancient times and was used to perform rituals. So humanity was getting high long before we can imagine :)

Thanks for your input on this topic. Yes very true it has been in ancient times all over the place. Merry Christmas. Nameste
Choshu said:
I have a problem with this topic mainly because my ex-fiance use to say the same thing. However, he claimed to practice native American shamanism and that pot helped him open up powers. Back then he was maybe doing it once or twice a week.

However towards the end of our 5 yr relationship he smoked it 24/7, all he wanted to do was smoke pot and play video games, made the energy in the apartment and him stagnate. He talked me into trying it once and told me that it would help my gifts but all it did was shut down every one of my senses and made me feel claustrophobic.

So I can't see how pot can help increase your powers all I can see it as is a crutch and something that will lower your vibration and make it stagnate. I feel that the only thing that can raise your vibration is yourself and not relying on things like pot.

Sorry to hear that to. Yes everybody treat it different, that the crazy thing. I do not rely on but to raise my viberation i just use it to enhance the experance from time to time. Some people miss treat this plant for all the wrong reason, so you have a right to be on the edge of this topic. But thats what i wanted in this talk. Tank you very much for takin the time to read and relpy. Merry christmas. Nameste.
Spiritual Warrior of Light said:
Hey peace frog, got it nailed from the very start.

Marijuana is not a drug, it is a herbal MEDICINE which can be used for MULTIPLE purposes. One of which bringing yourself closer to your higher-self. It's called a "high" for a reason, and the reason is that you raise your conscious awareness to a higher degree and you become able to perceive reality in a more fluid and interactive perspective.

I've been using this wonderful plant for about 4 years now and it has definitely helped me over come many issues in life and see reality for what it is.

There are 2 main reasons why I believe it's outlawed.

first being that it is a lot more profitable for big pharmaceutical companies to invest millions of dollars into research and development of toxic chemical based drugs then grow a simple plant which puts many over the counter and prescription drugs out of business. I believe that although it seems like a perfectly plausible explanation, I think it's a lot more about suppressing the "high" connection that this plant is capable of creating between one's higher self.

They want to keep people dumb and ignorant, that is why cigarettes and alcohol are completely legal.

just my 2 cents.

Hell yes man,. thank you for replying. yeah the government want its to seem bad because of all the good things that can come from it. You can have gas and cloths and many many things. The government is a bunch of bull shit and i for one can not wait till they no longer rule us. Thanks so much for takin the time to reply. Merry Christmas. Nameste
Vaddix said:
Do you know the incredible industrial uses for Hemp!!!! If only it was legalized.
Also you know about the elders of the native Americans? they could contact nature and their higher selves. It was through smoking peyote and other things like weed.
It completely boogles my mind to why its illegal. is it cuase i maybe smells a little.
You know america invests more money in research for making old men have giant erections, you see the ads on tv all the time. Weed shouldn't be under law as a drug, it should be under the agricultural law.

ha ha word man. good thinking i do not understand why it is illegal to. Smells a bit yeah lol it kind of does, though i had this stuff not to long ago that did not smell like it much but smelled like coco. ?? it was really good though lol. IT helps with many many problems. It depeneds on the person but yeah it is a great creation in life. Thanks again for takin the time to reply to this topic. Merry christmas and have a good day. Nameste
Dana said:
Basically, If you're using natural drugs to have an experience of higher consciousness, then you really need to be in alignment with that vibration, otherwise you're just getting high. It's like everything else a person would do to raise their consciousness... intention and bringing the experience to your state of being. It's a tool like everything else is, but most drug use is recreational and not in alignment with that state of being. That's pretty much why I think if you're using it as a tool to raise consciousness, it should be in moderation and certainly not a daily occurrence. Also, if you can, try and seek out a shaman or someone who's accustomed to these experiences and can help to set the vibration. I should add, I wouldn't recommend the use of non natural drugs for the raising of consciousness.

Yes moderation is the best way to go about things. Thats how i see it, that is why i did not want people thinking that's all i do for my inner self. But i could care less what others think of me. all i care is how i feel about me. But once you start depending on something, that's when you start loosing tough with you. Thank you so much for takin the time to reply to this post. Merry Christmas. Nameste
solfeggio said:
ok people here are some facts about mj becareful what you read and what your source is....

1. mj is not physically addictive it is highly psycologically addictictive ONLY...

2. over the years cross pollination between different strains have been successfully produced in
order to produce strains with higher THC content....

3 Co2 is used in grow ops to increase growing time that is what a plant takes in unlike animals which
uses oxygen this does not alter the plant in anyway.....

4 hydroponics are mostley used today to grow mj,,,,are the chemicals in the hydroponics dangerous to humans?
not sure but they are being used to grow some of the food we buy at the grocery store....

5. i have a friend who is an addict and when he doesnt have any then oh well it doesnt bother him one bit....

6. does it cause brain damage?.....the only thing i can say to that if you are a chronic user then it will adversley affect short term memory but thats about it im not sure where your reading that it doesnt cause lung damage but i would disagree that it doesnt....

7...have you ever tried deep meditation wrecked on weed???......good luck...lol...although its fun to see
how long you can do it for....

8. as far as recreational drugs go mj is probably the best one out there and the the benifits of the drug can be far more
benificial then other drugs especially alchohol.....thats right up there with crack in my opinion....

Well have to say it is not a drug unless that is how you preview it. It really does help my mind in meditation, i'm not saying that it does for everybody but i feel more focused on what i want to accomplish. Yeah i can never get addicit to it. its weird but good i think. i can go for a long time no problem with out it. Like i said it effects everybody different, i just wanted to get a poll where everybody stood on it. relating to there minds. Thanks for takin the time to share with us what you think. Merry Christmas. Nameste.
Wiz of Is said:
what else can one use? i agree that lighters are gross since you inhale the fumes along with the buds... it'd be awesome if there were pocket magni-lighters!

peace frog said:
Stephen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

Some more information on the subject, not a user myself but if I was to start it looks like a vaporizer is the safest method of ingestion :)

Stephen

Sweet man thank you for this. IT is really interesting. Yeha never used a vaporizer before but ill have to try it. They did this test to see what does effect your lungs when you smoke and it turns out it is the lighter. This one test i heard they did 100 hits out of a bong with a lighter and then took another bong and did 100 hits with a magnifying glass and the one with the lighter, turned the glass all brown and gross. What you see in pipes and stuff. But in the other bong it was clear and brand new looking. So yeah if you can avoid a lighter that works the best. Thank you very much on joying this topic. Have a merry Christmas. Nameste

well we have to invent something better. I think that would be cool as hell. haha sweet man thanks for replying

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