I'm slightly worried...

[Sara the Ultimate Crime Fighter]

It seems that we (as a group of people) are increasingly becoming more and more cult-like. I really do not want that to happen... And I just want all of you to know how I'm feeling.

I'm just as excited about this whole ascension thing as all of you are. For as long as I could remember, I could remember this evil that envelopes our world right now. And this hope of escaping that envelope is really uplifting and all. But that's just hope, and hope is sometimes created by our egos to shield ourselves from the truth. We need to be flexible and we shouldn't put all our faith in the FoL and 2012 and all that jazz. Not saying nothing will happen on 2012, I'm using that as an example x] Cause I personally think something will happen. ANYWAY. Let's keep our minds open. We need to work with what we're giving, and at the moment all we have is this twisted and dark reality. But no worries, it doesn't have to be terrible, no?

Back to the idea of us becoming more cult like, cause that is one of the main ideas. We need to avoid scheming... And I hate to point fingers but I'm saying this to the people who want to release the solfeggio frequencies out to the world. Bad idea... It may be for the better of the world (The people who thought of communism probably thought it would be for the better of the world, hey everyone gets food and has a job!), but its against people's will. And we need to respect their will, because if we didn't we would only be contributing to the darkness in the world. We need to avoid hypocrisy. This is VITALLY IMPORTANT. We absolutely CANNOT allow ourselves to do anything that we stand against. And not just with scheming, but in our daily lives as well which is an obvious thing but still easier said then done.

And I also need to say something about the Federation of Light. Now right now I'm assuming they exist. I'm saying this because I really don't know if they exist. In fact, I don't know anything at all. But the greatest wisdom one can achieve is knowing they don't know a damn thing, so it all evens out (I just quoted Socrates btw. Yay greek people) Now many of you might not agree, but this is something that I find deeply true for me. It resonates within me completely. In fact it is based on this principle that I practically worship. It's the idea of zen, yin yang, that stuff. I do not believe that the FoL is of true light. I believe that they have a hidden agenda, and I think that this is an important possibility for all of you to realize. They may have some good intentions, but absolutely nothing can be of pure light. Because without darkness, there is no light. Without light there is no darkness. These two seemingly polar opposites are not independent of each other, but rather dependent. Every single one of us is evil to some extent, but we are also good. And in order for us to achieve happiness, there must be suffering. Cause if there is constant happiness, then how would you know what happiness is if you had nothing to contrast it with.

And these ideas have lead me to believe that the FoL is not being fully truthful. Not to mention their use of manipulative language and how they address to us in a way that seems condescending. And how they give us these promises of eternal light and love. I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but I'm begging for all of you to not put all your faith into something that you are unfamiliar with. Sure, they fill you with light and love and tell you that they are good, but they could easily be doing that for the purpose of you BELIEVING they are of light. I am not saying we should fear them, because like they said (This is something they said that I actually agreed with) "fear is an illusion". But we should be the slightest bit wary with them. And I could be wrong! I hope I'm wrong. But after observing similar fake promises and manipulative language all my life, I really don't feel like I'm wrong.

Oh well. Hah, but we'll find out, no? Who knows...

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

cult
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

Tony said:

H.R. Pufnstuf said:

Yes, using YOUR definition. You can redefine words to mean what YOU want so thing meet or do not meet the criteria. It does not change the reality.

Tony said: HR, you are clearly misreading the original post i made. Sara said that she was concerned that we were becoming more cult-like. I have no idea what definiton Sara has for cult. Hence my answer was given in response to how I interprate the word cult. We are not a cult by that definition. The definition is also one subscribed to on :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Otherwise please give your definition of cult, by my definition we will never be a cult as we don't engage in excessive member control or exploitation.

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

Yes, we would have to go over point by point. I am just saying that according to standard definitions we are a cult. It's not a bad thing, but it's something to be aware of and to make sure we do not move into more of the negative aspects.

Tony said:

H.R. Pufnstuf said:

cult
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

We would have to address them one by one to see if your concerns are right. Sara mentioned scheming, this seems to match your number 4. On that point i indicated that to me it was merely some members suggestion. The discussion clealry indicated peoples views on the matter. Some were for it some were against it. Nothing more nothing less.

[RL]

spoken like a true indigo/crystal...!

you see some of us here have different destinies, some channel different entities. and i believe as very highly sensitive people (i've been mocked at for being that by an ex-reptilian :-( ) like all lightworkers are, we can sense darkness a mile away like you. i believe we are independent beings for we have felt different from the rest of the world ever since we were born and we like it that way.

IF the FoL is not being truthful, there's no way you can do anything about them really. We do not control or own others.
So why not do something that comes up from within yourself?

what is your work here on earth? what do YOU want to manifest? :-)

[Dana]

Of late, I'm really trying not to take anything too seriously. Just share what's on my mind if I've a mind to & play around with my friends. If I listen to all this conspiracy ufo et stuff it just bums me out and gives me a headache. Time is our only currency, once spent you can never get it back as they say. So worrying is a poor investment. Have a laugh and feel joy in your own space. That's all that matters.

[Dana]

Very well put :) love

Simone said:

Thanks Sara for sharing your feelings honestly... a little skepticism is healthy... I think we are pretty loosely organized and all over the globe and all over the 'board' in our beliefs and coming from all sorts of different backgrounds, experiences, religions, spiritualities, and philosophies. I seriously doubt that any of us can take everything totally hook-line-and sinker, since there is so much conflicting information about everything.... I pretty much just take in the information that resonates and set aside the rest that does not make sense to me in everything I read and continue on that way. I think it would be difficult to start a 'cult' from this group because most of us have experienced the 'cultish' behaviors of the world or religions and we have 'awakened' out of all that deception. I have learned a lot from everybody here and I'm really beginning to see how each person's spiritual journey is very unique and each person seems to resonate with a different focus. There is a lesson in everything, we can learn from our mistakes also. Eventually things tend to make sense... and I know that somewhere in there ...there is an overall picture that is coming together... but what do we really know as fact? Not much at all! Most of us just seem to have a 'general feeling' that we are 'awakening' to something new that is happening, but we cannot quite put our fingers on it... we are heading in a new direction...somewhere... where exactly we are not even sure of... it is uncharted. I think we all will have our egos rearing their ugly heads from time to time, but I get a basic feeling of love and sincerity and acceptance from most people here. It is the process of unity, convergence... or of acceptance of each person as they are... coming to know one another and the love light that each person bears in their soul. It's a journey, and an exciting one!


Lots of love to everyone!

[Sara the Ultimate Crime Fighter]

Hey guys, thanks for all your replies. I appreciate your reassuring and shared feelings of doubt. Regardless of anything, you are all pretty awesome :)

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

LOL @ Pierre. How can anybody take you seriously when you start out with the misogyny.

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

Steve, apparently you can say whatever you want as long as you claim it's all in Love and Light.

Steve Atreides said:

and here I was thinking I was arrogant.

H.R. Pufnstuf said:

LOL @ Pierre. How can anybody take you seriously when you start out with the misogyny.

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

LOL WUT?

Steve and I are friends. We understand each other. He knows I was not referring to him.


Pierre said:

pff what? get offended by a compliment... thats rediculious. we all know the manipulative tequniques help poeple live only to be social, make undereducated quesses, and blindly follow emotion. Females and males do have this, blindly following emotions, but its much more something that females these days get haulted from. if you understand. i was saying it was nice to see such words from such a person.
even on here, poeple arnt thinking for themselves, but using this as their religion.... and i will be posting some things soon clearifying some things i remember what els i had to say! you were saying something like, if there was no evil or darkness, there would be no love and light. something like that. Yes, i used to only want to live in my comfort zone, just chilling with poeple and being lazy. But you cant only have just the good times. if you did, their would be no reason now would there.
i dont know how im explaining this...


" apparently you can say whatever you want as long as you claim it's all in Love and Light."
im sorry, but thats pretty fuckin stupid right there! ^


Love
Pierre








H.R. Pufnstuf said:

Steve, apparently you can say whatever you want as long as you claim it's all in Love and Light.

Steve Atreides said:

and here I was thinking I was arrogant.

H.R. Pufnstuf said:

LOL @ Pierre. How can anybody take you seriously when you start out with the misogyny.

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

I'm amazed you can even understand what Pierre is saying LOL

Simone said:

I'm not a man and I'm not a dude, I'm a woman and a dudette! And I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you??? I'm not offended, but you seem to be??? I'm not offended by things that I know are not true. I thought it was funny. :) Very confused about your response!
Love

Pierre said:

put fuckin words in my mouth man! damn it! you obviously didnt even think about what i was saying! im not a sexist! jesus christ dude! ... was an inexistent character. haha
i dont mean to offend anyone. so dont get offended....




Simone said:

Pierre, you said, "it is must be much harder for females to think for themselves or realize whats real for they are easily manipulated"
lol lol lol you're a crack-up!
Okay, I'm going to try not to be offended by that and take that with a grain of salt, but isn't that the biblical version of male vs. female?
Let's try not to blame it on the females okay?
I think we are a little beyond that stage.... hmmmm

Lots of love!

[H.R. Pufnstuf]

LOL! I didn't think about both meanings of this. I was actually saying I can't believe you can actually understand what he writes due to the spelling, grammar, and incoherent statements. Both meanings are pretty funny anyways LOL

Simone said:

Yeah, maybe I'm not understanding something... he is saying I put words in his mouth and I'm reading again what he said and I don't see how I might have misunderstood... so maybe he is right that 'it is harder for females to think for themselves or realize whats real for they are easily manipulated' hmmmm lol? And I don't know if he thinks I'm a man or he's just saying 'man' and 'dude' because he calls everybody that?
Simone with an 'e' is female and on my profile I say I'm female.
Anyway, whatever was said, I'm fine with and don't really care... I think we can drop the subject now lol :)
love
Love you Pierre
H.R. Pufnstuf said:

I'm amazed you can even understand what Pierre is saying LOL

Simone said:

I'm not a man and I'm not a dude, I'm a woman and a dudette! And I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you??? I'm not offended, but you seem to be??? I'm not offended by things that I know are not true. I thought it was funny. :) Very confused about your response!
Love

Pierre said:

put fuckin words in my mouth man! damn it! you obviously didnt even think about what i was saying! im not a sexist! jesus christ dude! ... was an inexistent character. haha
i dont mean to offend anyone. so dont get offended....




Simone said:

Pierre, you said, "it is must be much harder for females to think for themselves or realize whats real for they are easily manipulated"
lol lol lol you're a crack-up!
Okay, I'm going to try not to be offended by that and take that with a grain of salt, but isn't that the biblical version of male vs. female?
Let's try not to blame it on the females okay?
I think we are a little beyond that stage.... hmmmm

Lots of love!