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Crystler struggles to survive : So can the new owners let us have the hidden technologies now?

Crysler maybe going down, to a path that leads to it being owned by the Union and the workers. I hope that the time has come for them to let us have those technologies that the former owners did not want us to have.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Chrysler LLC's struggle to avoid bankruptcy appeared to suffer a blow when talks between lenders and the Treasury Department aimed at cutting the automaker's debt broke down, according to published reports early Thursday.

As a result, the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, both citing people familiar with the discussions, said Chrysler was expected to file for Chapter 11 protection later in the day.

Despite the setback, there are growing hopes that the company will avoid closure and liquidation, as bankruptcy is expected to pave the way for a merger with Italian carmaker Fiat SpA.

The reports said several hedge funds and other lenders rejected Treasury's sweetened offer of $2.25 billion for forgiving $6.9 billion of Chrysler's debt.

Both reports indicated the Obama administration hopes that the bankruptcy would be swift, and would result in a restructured company controlled by Fiat and the United Auto Workers union.

Earlier, a vote of union members and comments by President Obama pointed to the prospect that the troubled company could meet a Thursday night deadline to secure an additional $6 billion in federal help and a chance of survival that seemed questionable only a week ago

Late Wednesday, the union announced that its membership at Chrysler had overwhelmingly ratified a concession contract reached between the company and union leadership on Sunday night.

"This has been a challenging time filled with anxiety and uncertainty for our membership," said UAW President Ron Gettelfinger. "Our members have responded by accepting an agreement that is painful for our active and retired workers, but which helps preserve U.S. manufacturing jobs and gives Chrysler a chance to survive."

Members voting in union halls at meetings on Wednesday voted in favor of the pact by majorities of between 80% and 94%, depending upon their job classification.

Under the deal approved Wednesday, the union would end up controlling 55% of Chrysler's privately held stock. That stock, which the union is accepting rather than $7 billion in cash it was owed by Chrysler, will be used to cover the future health care costs of 65,000 retired UAW members and their families.

Just hours before the vote was announced, President Obama, speaking at a prime-time news conference, said he was more hopeful than he was a month ago that a deal could be made between Chrysler and Italian automaker Fiat.

"What we've seen is the unions have made enormous sacrifices, on top of sacrifices they've previously made," Obama said. "You've now seen the major debt holders come up with a set of potential concessions they can live with. All that promises the possibility that you can get a Fiat-Chrysler merger."

Last month, a Treasury Department task force determined that Chrysler was not viable as a stand-alone company. The panel outlined a series of steps the company would have to make to get the $6 billion it said it needed to continue.

In addition to a deal with Fiat, Chrysler was required to win concessions from the unions and get banks and others who had lent the company $7 billion to greatly reduce the debt load.

Expectations had grown that a Chrysler bankruptcy and eventual liquidation would close the business. But Obama said Wednesday the company is likely to survive, no matter how the process plays out in coming days.

"The fact that the major debt holders appear ready to make concessions means that even if they ended up having to go through some sort of bankruptcy it would be a very quick type of bankruptcy and they could continue operating and emerge on the other side in a much stronger position," Obama said.

Still the president acknowledged that any possible deals with creditors and Fiat were not yet final. Talks might continue right up until midnight Thursday, according to an Obama administration official speaking ahead of the press conference.

Fiat could finalize a deal with Chrysler even if the company is in bankruptcy, according to various reports, and may be close to doing so.

On Tuesday, major banks that are among those that have lent Chrysler $7 billion were said to have agreed, to significantly reduce that debt, according to Treasury Department sources.

The UAW has not released details of its new labor pact with Chrysler. But the union's decision to accept privately held stock in Chrysler for the union-controlled trust fund to cover retiree health care was a key concession.

Chrysler has just under 39,000 U.S. employees, 60% below the number of American workers it had at the beginning of the decade. It also has about 9,400 workers in Canada, where 87% of the Canadian Auto Workers union members ratified a separate labor deal over the weekend.

0:00 /1:52Chrysler's 11th hour
According to a report in the Washington Post, Chrysler Chief Executive Bob Nardelli would be replaced by Fiat management as part of a bankruptcy plan being finalized by Treasury.

The Obama administration, along with the Canadian government, would provide an additional $4 billion in financing while Chrysler is in bankruptcy, the Post reported. The United States would provide another $5 billion in support following a bankruptcy reorganization.

Under this plan, the United Auto Workers union's retiree health plan would get a 55% stake in the company, Fiat 35%, the U.S. government 8% and the Canadian government 2%, according to the Post.

Chrysler creditors would get $2 billion and no equity stake while Cerberus Capital Management, which now owns most of Chrysler, would get nothing, the report said.

General Motors (GM, Fortune 500), which has also received federal help to avoid collapse, has until the end of May to reach deals with its creditors and unions. It proposed a plan Monday that would give its creditors a 10% stake in that company, while giving the government and the union up to an 89% stake.

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