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A Distressed Alex Collier Finally Gives Up the Facade
Letters and answers between Michael Horn, and Alex Collier, a.k.a. Ralph Amagran, fraud backing down. After 4 year of battle between the truth and non-truth Alex 'gives up the fight' and goes back into his proverbial corner.
Hi there Gaz,
I think that you may find the following interesting:
To All Concerned,
I recently asked Michael Salla and Paola Harris to provide me with credible, substantiated evidence for their claims that "Alex Collier" (Ralph Amagran) is a "genuine lifelong Andromedan contactee". In response to their threats to sue me, I told them that I would immediately apologize for my expressing my opinion that they, along with "Collier", were perpetrating and perpetuating a hoax, upon receipt of said evidence from them. I should add that I have been requesting this evidence for the past four years.
I just received a response, though not from Salla or Harris but from "Collier". That response makes it crystal clear that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, existing anywhere, to support any of their claims. None. Not one photo or film. Not a single, solitary witness. Not a piece of credible information. Not anything...just a self-serving, embarrassing cop-out from the perpetrator of this nearly 20-year fraud, Ralph Amagran, aka "Alex Collier".
While I have included below the letter that "Collier" published, interspersed with specific comments by me, I will state some of the more obvious revelations here, in briefer form.
"Collier", who is forced to admit that he changed his name from Ralph Amagran, attributes this to fear that coming forward as a "genuine lifelong Andromedan contactee" under his real name would have endangered his family, presumably by government and religious agents. We immediately understand the illogical, preposterousness of such a statement - certainly no "operatives" worth their salt would be fooled by someone changing their name! I'm an ordinary person and I wasn't fooled by it.
He then goes on, unrepentantly, to steal a page, so to speak, from Billy Meier's true life experiences as he still tries to legitimize his claimed "contacts" - naturally without a speck of evidence to substantiate them. He alludes to "information" that he disseminated that his imaginary Andromedan ETs ("A's", as he puts it) "asked" him to. Never mind the beyond idiotic notion that an advanced race of space travelers, from millions of light years away, contacted a former IRS agent, the delusional gibberish that constitutes "Collier's" best evidence (http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html) as was provided to me by Michael Salla, should be enough for any intelligent person, even one who entertained the possibility of truthfulness here, to immediately see through this shameful hoax.
He then goes on to actually complain about having been challenged to substantiate his evidence and about the stress this has brought his family. Such grandiose nonsense is typical of people who are narcissists, sociopaths and con artists, and who always blame someone else for their troubles - as well as the pain that they themselves cause their own family members, friends, etc.
But while "Collier" reveals himself as a shallow, opportunistic huckster, he effectively reveals Michael Salla and Paola Harris as very willing accomplices in this fraud - since the evidence that they themselves claimed to have been aware of for years, simply doesn't exist...as I have long suggested.
The only reason that any of them should ever be invited to set foot on any stage, anywhere, should be solely to account for this stupid hoax, and their belligerent, unwavering support and promotion of it. If Michael Salla has any sense, and we've never seen any evidence of that, he would take down his nonsense filled website(s) and also beg forgiveness from all of the people that ever got involved in this "Alex Collier" farce, upon which he has effectively based his own, now totally demolished, credibility and reputation.
While doubtless there exist dopey New Agers, conspiracy theorists and UFO enthusiasts who may prefer to see something else other than "Collier's" own, self-pitying admission, it bears repeating: This has been a cynical, opportunistic hoax, which is now over. And, as I suggest in my expanded response below, the next heap to be cleaned up is what remains of "exopolitics", its equally delusional, unsubstantiated claims...and those who perpetrate them.
MH
wwwtheyfly.com
Footnotes about a Fraud
Read on, dear readers, and let this be a huge lesson to all about discernment, standards of evidence and proof, integrity and truthfulness, among other things.
An Open Letter from Alex Collier
As many of he are aware, I am being bitterly attacked from the Billy Meier /FIGU Cult camp.
MH: Not at all, especially since there's no "Billy Meier/FIGU Cult camp". But he is being challenged, by me, to prove his claims of the last nearly 20 years, which certainly shouldn't be too much to ask, especially since, if they are true, they would constitute the most important story in human history, right?
AC: I am being addressed as a liar and a fraud. Apparently because I changed my name. And because at certain times in my life during ongoing contacts I wasn't sharing this reality with people who were acquaintances. I want he to know that I have addressed this issue publicly in earlier lectures years ago. But maybe its necessary to deal with it for the last time.
MH: No, he's being addressed as a liar and a fraud because of the absolutely delusional, inaccurate, unsubstantiated information that he claims was given to him by extraterrestrials. And because people (like Steve, Rose, Ron, Dore and me) who knew him then also know that he used, and altered, the Meier information in order to make himself appear to be someone that he's not. Changing his name was part of that fraud. And he's still trying to get away with it. Case in point: "at certain times in my life during ongoing contacts". Exactly where is the evidence for those "contacts"? Did he share it with Michael Salla and Paola Harris (whose sad situation will be addressed later in this response)?
AC: In the early 90's when I came forward, the talks were very small. More like living room talks . Just a hand full of people. I stopped speaking in 2002. After being addressed in front of my mailbox by 3 well dressed men that were part of a "Program". I was told to "Shut theBlank up". I was then told that friends were going to be hurt if I did not shut up. The names were given to me. They were not kidding and it wasn't a joke. They were going to kill friends and family members.
MH: Anecdotal at best. And should anyone indeed have threatened him it in no way makes his obviously fake story more credible. Frankly, many people tried to tell him to "Shut theBlank up" simply because he's a liar and, as we shall see, it's obvious that people, like his own family, were hurt because he continued with his hoax.
AC: Fast forward the internet. I had no idea that the information would go where it has. I had none at all.
MH: "No idea", really? Some not so very smart ETs he's got there. Of course Meier had already written about the internet and where it "would go"...back in 1958 (see: http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm Nos. 93 and 127). But he was already so deep into his hoax that he didn't see that information of Meier's and tried to make it his own.
AC: In 1990 when Morenay had asked me to speak and share "some of my experiences" I reluctantly said yes. I spoke to my Dad regarding this. My dad had an experience of my contacts when we lived in up state NY. We spoke of it that morning and as my Dad was a strong catholic, his questions were very direct. I felt that if I was going to speak he needed to know. Dad was afraid of what would not only happen to me but our family. My brothers and sisters, and himself by government and religious harassment etc..... We spoke about using another name to share the info in someway.
MH: So we are to believe that some nefarious "government" agents, who would presumably threaten Ralph Amagran and his family, wouldn't have the faintest idea that "Alex Collier" was actually the same guy? Really? Wow, if they're that stupid, what would he have been afraid of? The problem is that liars tend to get their stories mixed up, since they aren't recalling memories of actual events but are trying to remember the lies they made up in the first place, like Ralph does above. So logic and reason, as well as any evidence to back up their lies, are non-existent.
AC: In times in my life while contacts were occurring it has been very difficult and hard to share it. I had a head full of knowledge, and experiences but could not share it. I was told that at those times there was no one I could truly trust. When I did not listen to them, I would be proven to be wrong. Supposed friends betrayed and stole from me. Enough said about that.
MH: Enough said? Not at all. What still needs to be said is how closely that parallels what Meier wrote - and Ralph read - about some of Meier's own actual experiences. And just what did these "supposed friends" steal from Ralph, his hundreds of still irreproducible, clear, daytime UFO photos, films, video, etc. - like actually happened to...Meier?
AC: I have shared the information that I was asked to. I don't sell anything. I have no copyrights . I was told by the "A's " not to make a business of this in anyway. And so I haven't.
MH: So some supposed extraterrestrials, from the Andromeda galaxy no less, came zillions of light years all the way to earth to tell him to "share" the absolutely delusional pile of crap that can be found here: http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html? And let's remember that this was also the best (and the only) evidence that Michael Salla could refer me to. Anybody still fooled by these hoaxers?
AC: As for wanting 15 minutes of fame, well as I have said many times before, if I had really known it would come to this, I never would have opened my mouth. I am sick of being attacked and even though I have tried very hard to keep a low profile and protect my family from hurt and prejudice, by those who don't give adamn about my family so they can keep there name in lights and beat there chest, by declaring they have the secret and they are the one......
MH: So he's saying that if he knew that people would actually put him in the horrendously unfair and intolerable position of having to substantiate his garbage claims - he'd never have perpetrated this hoax? Hasn't it occurred to him that he's the one who didn't "give adamn about" his own family, that he's bringing shame and hurt to them, because of his lies? A classic case of a delusional narcissist masquerading, under an alias to conceal his true identity, and then playing the martyr card yet...delightful. And, while Meier has dodged assassins 21 times, we've never heard one word of complaint or self-pity from him, like this arrogant phony who finds legitimate, critical words too much to bear.
AC: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have given what I can. Its out there and That’s what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, research it or not. The information is the "A's" perspective. That’s it.
MH: Yes, he's "out there" alright. And can he substantiate that claim of his, about, "The information is the 'A's' perspective."? "A's", what "A's"? Any evidence for these imaginary "A's" of his, did we miss it somewhere, sometime...over the past 20 years? Any witnesses who've ever come forward, such as Meier has (www.tjresearch.info/witness-list.htm)? Maybe the good "Ladies and Gentlemen" here you can now see that he's still trying to play them for fools and suckers.
AC: I would of course always encourage you to research the field.
MH: I'll bet that I'm one guy that he wishes didn't "research the field", that he wishes he never met, that he wishes he never gave the original 1,800 pages of Meier's Contact Notes to, the ones from which he stole information, from Meier's life story, to begin to create his hoax.
AC: There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. It’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others to invest in themselves. To be themselves as they truly are.
MH: Yes, "many great dedicated researchers and speakers", like Michael Salla and Paola Harris, perhaps? Did he ever give them "THE WHOLE STORY"...because they sure need it now! Yes, of course, throw in the imaginary "God" thing, too; but that isn't going to help him or them either.
AC: I feel its necessary to add this last clarification for he. I have no vested interest in this information. And as such I really could care less what anyone thinks. My intention was to share the info and give a different perspective. I have had a lot of growth to go through and am now the father of 5. I must put the welfare of my family first and not thishorse shit with FIGU.
I am done with this........I have moved on.........Think what he will, But please think for theirselves.........
Respectfully,
Alex Collier
MH: So, he has "no vested interest in this information" and he "really could care less what anyone thinks"? What a cowardly, shamelessly selfish, liar...how's about the "vested interest" of Michael Salla and Paola Harris and what they "think"? He's content to hang them out and let them twist slowly and nakedly in the wind - while he turns tail and runs. They're stuck now without a shred of evidence to substantiate their foolish, unwaveringly stubborn support for his stupid "Andromedan contactee" claims, and thoroughly humiliated for their own incompetence, gullibility and over-ambition. But they are responsible for their own actions and have done themselves irreparable harm, including forever absolutely destroying their credibility as any kind of researchers.
The only "horse shit" here is contained, from head to toe, inside one Ralph Amagran, posing as "Alex Collier". Don't blame FIGU for his troubles, Ralphie, that's not being very self-responsible.
He's right about one thing though, he's done alright, finished, over and - good riddance.
And the least he could have done was to sign his real name.
Michael Horn
Note to all concerned: So there you have it. Complete and utter nonsense, a stupid, delusional fraud perpetrated for almost 20 years by a shameless pathological liar...with the help of two willing accomplices in the persons of Michael Salla and Paola Harris, and one Rick Keefe who, despite my pointing this out to him some time ago, persists in peddling videos of this psychopath on the internet. And, while this should forever close the door on this dreadful, imbecilic distraction from the pursuit of the truth about UFOs and actual extraterrestrial contact...we're not quite finished yet.
There still remains the matter of the other completely unsubstantiated, nonsensical, hallucinatory claims by "exopolitics" and people like Alfred Webre, etc., such as "benevolent extraterrestrials walking among us", "Reptilians kidnapping and eating our children", "over 1 billion people have been abducted by negative aliens"...and all of the other gibberish about "alien agreements with our government", "ETs landing in 2012", etc.
My suggestion to Mr. Webre, and all of the other (remaining) proponents of this nonsense, is that they immediately put their proof - not anecdotal, channeled information or other hearsay - on the table. While it has taken the last four years to fumigate the infestation of lies, deceit, opportunism, etc. of the Collier/Salla/Harris hoax, I hope that we won't see the same kind of stubborn, intransigent attitudes from the rest of the "exopolitics" group - even though their reason for being is rapidly diminishing with each close examination of their also unsubstantiated claims.
The truth is necessarily harsh, and all the more so in this matter as people in the largely unscientific, so-called "UFO community" have demonstrated themselves to be far too gullible, uncritical and naive when it comes to using discernment in matters like these. And pardon me if I'm not cutting any slack for people who have accused me of being the liar in this matter, who've threatened me with lawsuits because I've dared to fight to bring out the truth. They only have themselves to blame for the damaging fallout from this fraud, as I warned them - years ago - would surely be the case in the future if they didn't come clean then with the truth.
Poor Michael Salla, who "found no evidence of fraud" in the "Alex Collier" case...now that "Collier" has provided it to him himself.
Well, the future has arrived and, for some, it's not looking all that rosy.
MH
Hi there Gaz,
I think that you may find the following interesting:
To All Concerned,
I recently asked Michael Salla and Paola Harris to provide me with credible, substantiated evidence for their claims that "Alex Collier" (Ralph Amagran) is a "genuine lifelong Andromedan contactee". In response to their threats to sue me, I told them that I would immediately apologize for my expressing my opinion that they, along with "Collier", were perpetrating and perpetuating a hoax, upon receipt of said evidence from them. I should add that I have been requesting this evidence for the past four years.
I just received a response, though not from Salla or Harris but from "Collier". That response makes it crystal clear that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, existing anywhere, to support any of their claims. None. Not one photo or film. Not a single, solitary witness. Not a piece of credible information. Not anything...just a self-serving, embarrassing cop-out from the perpetrator of this nearly 20-year fraud, Ralph Amagran, aka "Alex Collier".
While I have included below the letter that "Collier" published, interspersed with specific comments by me, I will state some of the more obvious revelations here, in briefer form.
"Collier", who is forced to admit that he changed his name from Ralph Amagran, attributes this to fear that coming forward as a "genuine lifelong Andromedan contactee" under his real name would have endangered his family, presumably by government and religious agents. We immediately understand the illogical, preposterousness of such a statement - certainly no "operatives" worth their salt would be fooled by someone changing their name! I'm an ordinary person and I wasn't fooled by it.
He then goes on, unrepentantly, to steal a page, so to speak, from Billy Meier's true life experiences as he still tries to legitimize his claimed "contacts" - naturally without a speck of evidence to substantiate them. He alludes to "information" that he disseminated that his imaginary Andromedan ETs ("A's", as he puts it) "asked" him to. Never mind the beyond idiotic notion that an advanced race of space travelers, from millions of light years away, contacted a former IRS agent, the delusional gibberish that constitutes "Collier's" best evidence (http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html) as was provided to me by Michael Salla, should be enough for any intelligent person, even one who entertained the possibility of truthfulness here, to immediately see through this shameful hoax.
He then goes on to actually complain about having been challenged to substantiate his evidence and about the stress this has brought his family. Such grandiose nonsense is typical of people who are narcissists, sociopaths and con artists, and who always blame someone else for their troubles - as well as the pain that they themselves cause their own family members, friends, etc.
But while "Collier" reveals himself as a shallow, opportunistic huckster, he effectively reveals Michael Salla and Paola Harris as very willing accomplices in this fraud - since the evidence that they themselves claimed to have been aware of for years, simply doesn't exist...as I have long suggested.
The only reason that any of them should ever be invited to set foot on any stage, anywhere, should be solely to account for this stupid hoax, and their belligerent, unwavering support and promotion of it. If Michael Salla has any sense, and we've never seen any evidence of that, he would take down his nonsense filled website(s) and also beg forgiveness from all of the people that ever got involved in this "Alex Collier" farce, upon which he has effectively based his own, now totally demolished, credibility and reputation.
While doubtless there exist dopey New Agers, conspiracy theorists and UFO enthusiasts who may prefer to see something else other than "Collier's" own, self-pitying admission, it bears repeating: This has been a cynical, opportunistic hoax, which is now over. And, as I suggest in my expanded response below, the next heap to be cleaned up is what remains of "exopolitics", its equally delusional, unsubstantiated claims...and those who perpetrate them.
MH
wwwtheyfly.com
Footnotes about a Fraud
Read on, dear readers, and let this be a huge lesson to all about discernment, standards of evidence and proof, integrity and truthfulness, among other things.
An Open Letter from Alex Collier
As many of he are aware, I am being bitterly attacked from the Billy Meier /FIGU Cult camp.
MH: Not at all, especially since there's no "Billy Meier/FIGU Cult camp". But he is being challenged, by me, to prove his claims of the last nearly 20 years, which certainly shouldn't be too much to ask, especially since, if they are true, they would constitute the most important story in human history, right?
AC: I am being addressed as a liar and a fraud. Apparently because I changed my name. And because at certain times in my life during ongoing contacts I wasn't sharing this reality with people who were acquaintances. I want he to know that I have addressed this issue publicly in earlier lectures years ago. But maybe its necessary to deal with it for the last time.
MH: No, he's being addressed as a liar and a fraud because of the absolutely delusional, inaccurate, unsubstantiated information that he claims was given to him by extraterrestrials. And because people (like Steve, Rose, Ron, Dore and me) who knew him then also know that he used, and altered, the Meier information in order to make himself appear to be someone that he's not. Changing his name was part of that fraud. And he's still trying to get away with it. Case in point: "at certain times in my life during ongoing contacts". Exactly where is the evidence for those "contacts"? Did he share it with Michael Salla and Paola Harris (whose sad situation will be addressed later in this response)?
AC: In the early 90's when I came forward, the talks were very small. More like living room talks . Just a hand full of people. I stopped speaking in 2002. After being addressed in front of my mailbox by 3 well dressed men that were part of a "Program". I was told to "Shut the
MH: Anecdotal at best. And should anyone indeed have threatened him it in no way makes his obviously fake story more credible. Frankly, many people tried to tell him to "Shut the
AC: Fast forward the internet. I had no idea that the information would go where it has. I had none at all.
MH: "No idea", really? Some not so very smart ETs he's got there. Of course Meier had already written about the internet and where it "would go"...back in 1958 (see: http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm Nos. 93 and 127). But he was already so deep into his hoax that he didn't see that information of Meier's and tried to make it his own.
AC: In 1990 when Morenay had asked me to speak and share "some of my experiences" I reluctantly said yes. I spoke to my Dad regarding this. My dad had an experience of my contacts when we lived in up state NY. We spoke of it that morning and as my Dad was a strong catholic, his questions were very direct. I felt that if I was going to speak he needed to know. Dad was afraid of what would not only happen to me but our family. My brothers and sisters, and himself by government and religious harassment etc..... We spoke about using another name to share the info in someway.
MH: So we are to believe that some nefarious "government" agents, who would presumably threaten Ralph Amagran and his family, wouldn't have the faintest idea that "Alex Collier" was actually the same guy? Really? Wow, if they're that stupid, what would he have been afraid of? The problem is that liars tend to get their stories mixed up, since they aren't recalling memories of actual events but are trying to remember the lies they made up in the first place, like Ralph does above. So logic and reason, as well as any evidence to back up their lies, are non-existent.
AC: In times in my life while contacts were occurring it has been very difficult and hard to share it. I had a head full of knowledge, and experiences but could not share it. I was told that at those times there was no one I could truly trust. When I did not listen to them, I would be proven to be wrong. Supposed friends betrayed and stole from me. Enough said about that.
MH: Enough said? Not at all. What still needs to be said is how closely that parallels what Meier wrote - and Ralph read - about some of Meier's own actual experiences. And just what did these "supposed friends" steal from Ralph, his hundreds of still irreproducible, clear, daytime UFO photos, films, video, etc. - like actually happened to...Meier?
AC: I have shared the information that I was asked to. I don't sell anything. I have no copyrights . I was told by the "A's " not to make a business of this in anyway. And so I haven't.
MH: So some supposed extraterrestrials, from the Andromeda galaxy no less, came zillions of light years all the way to earth to tell him to "share" the absolutely delusional pile of crap that can be found here: http://theyfly.com/articles/Alex%20Collier.html? And let's remember that this was also the best (and the only) evidence that Michael Salla could refer me to. Anybody still fooled by these hoaxers?
AC: As for wanting 15 minutes of fame, well as I have said many times before, if I had really known it would come to this, I never would have opened my mouth. I am sick of being attacked and even though I have tried very hard to keep a low profile and protect my family from hurt and prejudice, by those who don't give a
MH: So he's saying that if he knew that people would actually put him in the horrendously unfair and intolerable position of having to substantiate his garbage claims - he'd never have perpetrated this hoax? Hasn't it occurred to him that he's the one who didn't "give a
AC: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have given what I can. Its out there and That’s what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, research it or not. The information is the "A's" perspective. That’s it.
MH: Yes, he's "out there" alright. And can he substantiate that claim of his, about, "The information is the 'A's' perspective."? "A's", what "A's"? Any evidence for these imaginary "A's" of his, did we miss it somewhere, sometime...over the past 20 years? Any witnesses who've ever come forward, such as Meier has (www.tjresearch.info/witness-list.htm)? Maybe the good "Ladies and Gentlemen" here you can now see that he's still trying to play them for fools and suckers.
AC: I would of course always encourage you to research the field.
MH: I'll bet that I'm one guy that he wishes didn't "research the field", that he wishes he never met, that he wishes he never gave the original 1,800 pages of Meier's Contact Notes to, the ones from which he stole information, from Meier's life story, to begin to create his hoax.
AC: There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. It’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others to invest in themselves. To be themselves as they truly are.
MH: Yes, "many great dedicated researchers and speakers", like Michael Salla and Paola Harris, perhaps? Did he ever give them "THE WHOLE STORY"...because they sure need it now! Yes, of course, throw in the imaginary "God" thing, too; but that isn't going to help him or them either.
AC: I feel its necessary to add this last clarification for he. I have no vested interest in this information. And as such I really could care less what anyone thinks. My intention was to share the info and give a different perspective. I have had a lot of growth to go through and am now the father of 5. I must put the welfare of my family first and not this
I am done with this........I have moved on.........Think what he will, But please think for theirselves.........
Respectfully,
Alex Collier
MH: So, he has "no vested interest in this information" and he "really could care less what anyone thinks"? What a cowardly, shamelessly selfish, liar...how's about the "vested interest" of Michael Salla and Paola Harris and what they "think"? He's content to hang them out and let them twist slowly and nakedly in the wind - while he turns tail and runs. They're stuck now without a shred of evidence to substantiate their foolish, unwaveringly stubborn support for his stupid "Andromedan contactee" claims, and thoroughly humiliated for their own incompetence, gullibility and over-ambition. But they are responsible for their own actions and have done themselves irreparable harm, including forever absolutely destroying their credibility as any kind of researchers.
The only "
He's right about one thing though, he's done alright, finished, over and - good riddance.
And the least he could have done was to sign his real name.
Michael Horn
Note to all concerned: So there you have it. Complete and utter nonsense, a stupid, delusional fraud perpetrated for almost 20 years by a shameless pathological liar...with the help of two willing accomplices in the persons of Michael Salla and Paola Harris, and one Rick Keefe who, despite my pointing this out to him some time ago, persists in peddling videos of this psychopath on the internet. And, while this should forever close the door on this dreadful, imbecilic distraction from the pursuit of the truth about UFOs and actual extraterrestrial contact...we're not quite finished yet.
There still remains the matter of the other completely unsubstantiated, nonsensical, hallucinatory claims by "exopolitics" and people like Alfred Webre, etc., such as "benevolent extraterrestrials walking among us", "Reptilians kidnapping and eating our children", "over 1 billion people have been abducted by negative aliens"...and all of the other gibberish about "alien agreements with our government", "ETs landing in 2012", etc.
My suggestion to Mr. Webre, and all of the other (remaining) proponents of this nonsense, is that they immediately put their proof - not anecdotal, channeled information or other hearsay - on the table. While it has taken the last four years to fumigate the infestation of lies, deceit, opportunism, etc. of the Collier/Salla/Harris hoax, I hope that we won't see the same kind of stubborn, intransigent attitudes from the rest of the "exopolitics" group - even though their reason for being is rapidly diminishing with each close examination of their also unsubstantiated claims.
The truth is necessarily harsh, and all the more so in this matter as people in the largely unscientific, so-called "UFO community" have demonstrated themselves to be far too gullible, uncritical and naive when it comes to using discernment in matters like these. And pardon me if I'm not cutting any slack for people who have accused me of being the liar in this matter, who've threatened me with lawsuits because I've dared to fight to bring out the truth. They only have themselves to blame for the damaging fallout from this fraud, as I warned them - years ago - would surely be the case in the future if they didn't come clean then with the truth.
Poor Michael Salla, who "found no evidence of fraud" in the "Alex Collier" case...now that "Collier" has provided it to him himself.
Well, the future has arrived and, for some, it's not looking all that rosy.
MH
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How right you are!! Ummm, LOL...well said. Lea
Michael Horn said:In order to not have this turn into a predictable flaming war, etc., may I suggest that rather than comment about my ego that you, Trudy, examine where, why and how you came to adopt a completely unsubstantiated, non self-responsible belief that "open contact with extraterrestrials on a global scale" is what we need to wait for in order to have "the truth"?
As I said before, "...the so-called UFO and New Age communities are populated in large numbers by people with very little discernment, logical thinking abilities, experience in research, or even healthy...skepticism. Nor do they like having this pointed out to them."
When we hear something that we "take personally", i.e. feel upset or attacked by, it usually means that there's some internal examination, of our own thoughts, feelings, beliefs, to examine. In simple terms, when something "pushes our buttons" it's best to find those buttons and see if they serve us, or if we should...disconnect them.
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Pretend the truth? Is that what you would say to an attorney who brought out the truth of any defendant that proclaimed innocence for 20 years, only to find out his guilt was in fact real?
Trudy said::))) no buttons are pushed, _lol_
This answer was expected of U ..U pretends the truth about everything and everyone ... This says enough about you ...
Remain in the Light new savior ..It will oblige you
Namaste
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Time to set our eyes to reality on the ground. Keep in mind, this article as written last year. The Ross Ice Shelf is 2 miles high. Imagine it plunging into the ocean, at a break-up speed of 90 ft per year, because of the weakened sentiment at the bottom. And even today, I received several messages from USGS of the earthquakes in the area of 5.6 and greater.
Ocean currents are currently at only 20%. Why? Because the melting of these areas of ice and snow are fresh water. It mixes with salt water, and the salt is sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Salt drives the current, not the temperature.
Published on Friday, July 11, 2008 by Agence France Presse
Antarctic Ice Shelf ‘Hanging by Thread’: European Scientists
Images taken by its Envisat remote-sensing satellite show that Wilkins Ice Shelf is “hanging by its last thread” to Charcot Island, one of the plate’s key anchors to the Antarctic peninsula, ESA said in a press release.
A gam of minke whales pass icebergs in the Southern Ocean off the Australian Antarctic Territory, in 2007. More than two decades after the start of a leaky moratorium on whale hunting, the most majestic of sea mammals have made little headway in recovering their once robust populations.
New evidence a large plate of floating ice shelf attached to Antarctica is breaking up. Wilkins Ice Shelf is “hanging by its last thread” to Charcot Island, one of the plate’s key anchors to the Antarctic peninsula. Since the connection to the island helps stabilize the ice shelf, it is likely the breakup of the bridge will put the remainder of the ice shelf at risk. Wilkins Ice Shelf had been stable for most of the last century, covering around 16,000 square kilometres (6,000 square miles) before it began to retreat in the 1990s. Since then several large areas have broken away, and two big breakoffs this year left only a narrow ice bridge about 2.7 kilometres (1.7 miles) wide to connect the shelf to Charcot and nearby Latady Island. The Antarctic peninsula — the tongue of land that juts northward from the white continent towards South America — has had one of the highest rates of warming anywhere in the world in recent decades. Warmer water from the Southern Ocean is likely reaching the underside of the ice shelf and thinning it rapidly from underneath. Wilkins Ice Shelf is the most recent in a long, and growing, list of ice shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula that are responding to the rapid warming that has occurred in this area over the last fifty years. In past 30 years six Antarctic ice shelves have collapsed completely — Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf. Picture: AFP/Matt Low
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Photo: AFP/Matt Low
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PARIS — New evidence has emerged that a large plate of floating ice shelf attached to Antarctica is breaking up, in a troubling sign of global warming, the European Space Agency (ESA) said on Thursday.
“Since the connection to the island… helps stabilize the ice shelf, it is likely the breakup of the bridge will put the remainder of the ice shelf at risk,” it said.
Wilkins Ice Shelf had been stable for most of the last century, covering around 16,000 square kilometres (6,000 square miles), or about the size of Northern Ireland, before it began to retreat in the 1990s.
Since then several large areas have broken away, and two big breakoffs this year left only a narrow ice bridge about 2.7 kilometres (1.7 miles) wide to connect the shelf to Charcot and nearby Latady Island. The latest images, taken by Envisat’s radar, say fractures have now opened up in this bridge and adjacent areas of the plate are disintegrating, creating large icebergs.
Scientists are puzzled and concerned by the event, ESA added.
The Antarctic peninsula — the tongue of land that juts northward from the white continent towards South America — has had one of the highest rates of warming anywhere in the world in recent decades.
But this latest stage of the breakup occurred during the Southern Hemisphere’s winter, when atmospheric temperatures are at their lowest.
One idea is that warmer water from the Southern Ocean is reaching the underside of the ice shelf and thinning it rapidly from underneath.
“Wilkins Ice Shelf is the most recent in a long, and growing, list of ice shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula that are responding to the rapid warming that has occurred in this area over the last fifty years,” researcher David Vaughan of the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) said.
“Current events are showing that we were being too conservative, when we made the prediction in the early 1990s that Wilkins Ice Shelf would be lost within 30 years. The truth is, it is going more quickly than we guessed.”
In the past three decades, six Antarctic ice shelves have collapsed completely — Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Horn on
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Yes, everyone must find the truth themselves. And there is an abundance of free information at my site to review that can assist in that process. There's a section called Prophecies & Predictions on my page and a new article, confirming more of Meier's prophetic accuracy can be found here:http://theyfly.com/articles/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_%20UP%20.htm
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Permalink Reply by Trudy on
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New Billy Meier - Antonio Urzi from Italy, now it is unstoppable
YouTube: Jaime Maussan, MUFON Director for Mexico, presents the Urzi Case in the International UFO Congress 2009 with over 1700 UFO sightings filmed over eight years, Antonio Urzi and his friend Simona, from Milan, Italy, have been living an absolutely unique experience. Metallic ships, spheres of light and flotillas fly just over their heads. Antonio has filmed all kinds of UFOs from a small window in the attic where he lives with Simona.
The Antonio Urzi Case is perhaps one of the most astounding cases in the history of Ufo research. The videos are clear and of high quality. They have been
analyzed by Mexico's expert journalist and researcher Jaime Maussan and his studio crew, by the independent researcher Giuseppe Garofalo and from the American scholar Jim Dilettoso. All of them stated that the UFO footages of Urzi are absolutely real.
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How nice, more lights in the sky.
http://theyfly.com/newsflash5/The_Skeptic's_Last%20Gasp.htm
http://theyfly.com/British_Skeptic_Final.htm
http://theyfly.com/The_Skeptical%20_Challenge.html
Research, read...LEARN.
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And:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash2.htm
http://www.steelmarkonline.com/media/Wedding_Cake_ship.mpg
http://theyfly.com/PDF/Scientific%20Experts.PDF
http://theyfly.com/PDF/Documentation%20from%20IBM%20on.pdf
http://theyfly.com/PDF/PhotoAnalysis.pdf
http://theyfly.com/PDF/UFOSoundRecordings.pdf
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The hoaxers are the people who are the 'debunkers' of the Meier case. Did you see the video of the two huge saucers being carried on truck-beds through the streets of Russia? Um, why not post those? They can be flown remotely to get peoples attention away from what is currently happening on the ground. Love and light..Lea
Simone said:Oh hee hee hee, I'm having so much fun what a good laugh.
http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/the-billy-meier-hoax-photographs/
Just do a search on 'Billy Meier hoax' and there is plenty of free information available, this is just one link... how can anybody can take that 'wedding cake' photo seriously? It's the funniest thing I have ever seen.
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Watch this carefully...ufo replicas can be flown using Remote Control and used for spying on people. The explanation for a UFO, later shown in the air, is the exact jet stream as you'd see coming from the back end of a JET; along with the chemicals they are blasting the atmosphere with, which include 'aluminum particles,' will create this affect.
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Okay, I'll do this once for those who need further clarity.
To rebut unfounded claims - as I've been doing for at least 10 years - is not "ego and defensiveness". If the scholarship is there, it's called...substantiating one's claims, evidence, etc. These are things that many people neither understand, nor are they good at. It took me much time and hard work to learn and to do it. That means anyone can do the same, if they wish to.
As far as my trying "so hard to convince", unfortunately this is typical of people who have swallowed entire belief systems whole hog and who, when simply offered the response to the link/information that...THEY posted, are overwhelmed and resort to attacking. As one can see, I have provided plenty of links that can be examined. Of course, you'll find that the skeptic/information that Simone is in such a hurry to embrace, has not only been thoroughly defeated, he even had the good sense to admit it at one point.
Nonetheless, come to your own conclusions. And if they are that some "space brothers and sisters" are coming to save you, I suggest packing plenty of food, water, clothing, etc., as you will definitely need it...while you wait endlessly for that day to arrive.
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Did you really take a good look at that concocted picture with the blue circle? Can't you tell that was added AFTER by the people who doctored the photos? You can see that someone took the original photo, took a picture of the trash, cut out that area and added it after, to recreate the photo as you see it. I don't know of ANY trash can that could last for as long as Billy's pictures are old. Not only that, but when pictures of the wedding cake were taken, they didn't make plastic trash cans. Hellloo. Sorry, 'ya just gotta come up with something better than that. If you would have even listened to George Green, putting Michael Horn out of the picture completely, you would know how the wedding 'function's which those layers of balls spin in opposite directions, and they make it possible for the ship to fly. Magnetic's... Love Lea
Simone said:Oh hee hee hee, I'm having so much fun what a good laugh.
http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/the-billy-meier-hoax-photographs/ Just do a search on 'Billy Meier hoax' and there is plenty of free information available, this is just one link... how can anybody can take that 'wedding cake' photo seriously? It's the funniest thing I have ever seen.
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