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Posted by Preston James, Ph.D on March 2, 2014
In spite of growing conflicts between Israel-driven-America and Russia over Syria, Iran and now the Ukraine, he appears unusually confident.
Other world leaders involved appear to be increasingly stressed out by these growing conflicts, but not President Putin.
What could be going on in the background which might explain this blatant confidence and swagger of president Putin?
Unsubstantiated rumors have been seeping out of deep contacts inside Russian Space Command the last few weeks that, not only does the new Putin’s Russia have a well developed Secret Space war Program, but that this Program provides substantial ultra-high-tech back-engineered offensive and defensive weaponry.
And that such advanced weaponry can and will be deployed if Israel is able to once again deploy their hijacked American War Machine to start another Proxy War, this time in the Ukraine against Putin’s New Russia.
Do Russians now have access to Space War Weapons based on back-engineered Alien ET technology gained through a new treaty negotiated between Putin and a certain group of Alien ETs who are enemies of the group controlling the World Zionists (WZs) and the International Zionist Crime Syndicate (IZCS)?
President Putin is a Firearms Expert (as well as a Judo Expert). Notice how he keeps his trigger finger outside the trigger guard when not firing the Pistol.
And even stranger, has this same Alien ET group who claim to be the avowed enemies of another Alien ET group which is directing the WZs and the IZCS the “Dracos”, also contacted a certain newly-emerging and powerful secret group inside the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) and American Intel?
And with these reputed contacts, has this group of American Defense and Intel up-and-comers started to exert dominance over the US War Machine? Have they become convinced that the WZs and the IZCS must be stopped because their intent is to deploy DHS to tyrannize, enslave and serially mass-murder about 80% of all Americans?
And have they become aware that the 9/11 attacks were False-Flag, Gladio-style, inside-job attacks run by Israel, Israeli-American dual citizens, NeoCons, and PNAC individuals and had nothing to do with Arabs, but were merely False-Flag terror to justify more illegal, unprovoked, unconstitutional, undeclared wars of aggression in the Middle East as a proxy Wars for Israel?
Has this powerful group of up-and-comers inside America become convinced that DHS and its overlords and the true Hijackers of America (AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, SPLC and the like) must be stopped cold now before they destroy America and all its Christian and Deist Institutions and the very American Republic itself, which is the secret Goal of the WZs and the IZCS?
A powerful new treaty has apparently been established between one group of Alien ETs (the Tall White Nordics) and Putin’s New Russia. This new treaty President Putin has supposedly negotiated with this particular Alien ET group is purported to be like the ones American leaders negotiated with in the 1950’s and early 1960’s. However this particular Alien Group group is purported to be substantially anti-WZ and anti-IZCS. Their view is reputed to be that the core of all the mass death and destruction of at least the last 500 years has its origins all the way to the Roman Empire and ancient Babylonia, and is now reflected in the policies imposed on America by the WZs and the IZCS, which is undoubtedly the world’s largest organized crime syndicate.
This crime syndicate the IZCS specializes in illegal drug and arms trafficking, money laundering, large corporate “bust-outs”, sex trafficking and sex slavery (especially eastern Euro and Ukrainian young girls taken to Israel for “captive prostitution”), trafficking in children for pedophilia operations, American pornography, and massive human compromise operations to gain and hold control over top politicians, government Intel, military and Intel officials. The WZs and the IZCS are based on an ancient “Death Cult”, “Money-Magick” and “black arts” philosophy dating all the way back to Babylon.
And so far the best information available suggests that this “Cuity of London” zionist Death Cult philosophy is based on an anti-human death-based religion created and deployed by the Dracos (luciferian reptilians) who reached an apex of power under the City of London private Central Banksters (whom they mind-kontrolled and en-cultured).
This new group of Alien ETs also has claimed that the “Dracos”, aka Reptoids from the “Dark Side”, hijacked the City of London when first incorporated. These evil and ancient Dracos, using the same technologies which they did in ancient Babylon before being driven out for many centuries, built up and then deployed their main Action-agents and Cutouts, Israel and America. they are believed to be World Zionism and using the rackets of the IZCS for off-the-books large funding for their zionist lackeys to but more and more politicians through AIPAC and the like.
It was under Evil, anti-human Draco Power, the City of London zionist private Central Banksters (COLZPCB) hijacked America in 1913. At that time America essentially became a new province of the City of London private Central Banksters using Draco-based Babylonian “Money-Magick.”
The Dracos are believed to be the arch enemies of humankind, actual human parasites that live off of intense human suffering and death. Allegedly they are “negative energy vampires” that live off of manufactured human suffering and traumatic death. These Dracos are believed to have set up “death Cults” like Skull and Bones (Russell Trust), satanic cults, pedophile rings in high government circles, and various types of interlinked luciferian cults which have been used to completely hijack the highest levels of Freemasonry. These death cults are designed to “dirty up” and corrupt all humans, that is, to soften folks up in order to make it easier for their very souls to be “snatched” from them.
After the City of London established a Beachhead in America with its unConstitutional, criminal private Federal Reserve Central Bank, it was then later able to create, finance, build-up and deploy its new nation of Khazarian Judaic converts (the new post-WW2 “Israel”). Once accomplished, the COLZPCB has been able to deploy Israel as their main Action-agent and Cutout to begin the transformation of America into a zionist Israeli province and upcoming new Gaza (Gaza II). The party responsible for directing this transformation of America into a neo-Bolshevik tyranny is Israeli controlled Department of Homeland Security, which has now been dubbed the New American Gestapo, the New American Stasi, or the New American Red Cheka mass-murder operation (take your pick).
The purpose of these occult-linked organizations set up all over the world, supported by Draco powers, is believed to allow the eradication/extinction of all humans on Earth incrementally through war, disease, famine and pestilence. In order to condition “up-and-comers” to do their dirty work, the Dracos generate the false ideologies of “Survival of the Fittest” by the “thinning of the herd” as delusions. These delusional philosophies trick human leaders into leading their subjects and eventually all humans to their own destruction, like lemmings jumping off a cliff.
After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice”. WZ propagandists periodically pound Israeli citizens and foreign based Judaics with the idea that unless they take down the whole world through World Zionism they will once again be persecuted and attempts to annihilate them will be made once again.
This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.
This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.
Yes, WZ’s are not only attacking the Ukraine to weaken President Putin’s New Russia but are now staging a serious major internal war to be waged against Americans inside America by DHS. And DHS has secret plans to incrementally mass-murder up to 80% of all Americans eventually. DHS and those behind it are the true “Enemy Within The Gates” of America and all involved at the senior management positions are Traitors who deserve to be prosecuted for RICO crimes and TREASON and SEDITION, which are capital Crimes.
President Putin is very skilled at catching his competitors off guard, taking them off-balance and throwing them for a loop. He is a very skilled “Black Belt” Judo Expert with many years experience. Perhaps those foreign leaders who desire to tangle with him geopolitically had better think twice before they charge ahead carelessly. They may get thrown for a loop unexpectedly.
If true, this would explain the now apparent reluctance of President Obama and his administration to proceed with more proxy wars for Israel in the Mideast and now specifically in the Ukraine which is loaded with extremely valuable resources and is considered essential to the national security of Putin’s new non-Bolshevik Russia.
Now here is the grim truth. No matter how good American Intel has been about the Russian’s Secret Space War Program and the level of advanced back-engineered Alien ET technology, which now has been deployed, it is limited. And it is unlikely that the full story has been gained by American Intel, due to the various levels of secrecy and “need to know” installed around the Russian’s secret Space War Program.
Of course this kind of layered secrecy has been installed around America’s Secret Space War Program. America’s secret Space War program is unfortunately now run by foreign offshore-controlled, private defense Contractors, most of whom are deeply infiltrated by Israeli intel, some of whom are actually deep cover spies who report directly to Russian Intel, unbeknownst to the Israelis who are cocky and getting quite careless lately.
President Putin firing Russia’s famous AK-47 (now the AK-74 upgrade). Most don’t, but this one probably has 1 MOA due to a longer barrel and thicker receiver.
And must General Dempsey take strong control and stop this Israeli Espionage through their intel fronts like AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, SPLC and the like to prevent some kind of major international confrontation with President Putin’s new Russia over the Ukraine or Syria.
It is now generally recognized that Israel is working very hard, deploying every espionage and propaganda tool possible to propel American military might into another proxy war for Israel and the City of London.
The reason? To allow Israel to obtain its planned new oil and gas pipeline in Syria (after Balkanizing it through deployed terrorism). And to Balkanize the Ukraine to obtain its vast resources and block Russia’s sale of oil and gas to Europe so that it can jump in its Russia’s place and sell British controlled oil and gas through their planned new pipeline thorough Syria. It is also now recognized that this Israel Pipeline Plan for Syria has the full blessing and support of the City of London Big Oil.
Some of those who are in a position to know about such internal security matters deep inside the USG are claiming the answer is YES, that General Dempsey is completely informed about infil-Traitors, and has established the resources necessary deeply inside this program to exert immediate and complete control any time upon his instructions should this become necessary and should he desire to do so. Allegedly these Israeli moles have been allowed to remain in place to use them to feed misinformation that is designed to mislead any real or potential enemies.
At present, nobody on the inside has provided complete verified information on what actual advanced high-tech back-engineered Alien ET weapon systems the Americans or Russians actually have developed and deployed in their respective Secret Space War Programs.
The best we can do is construct estimates based on the actual weapon systems we do know exist. We know that America’s Secret Shadow Government (SSG) has at least two separate very advanced anti-gravity craft fleets, one deployed by the USAF and the other deployed by the USN. Insiders have claimed that there is a secret competition for black-budget dollars between the two that has at times turned into space shootouts and other acts of spy-war.
The USAF and the USN have always been at odds after WW2 ended and the Cold War started. This deep conflict is all about money and power and the Navy’s “Grey Beards” claim that according to the US Constitution, only the US Navy is authorized to employ international spying on behalf of America. It is important to note that traditionally for many centuries, Naval Forces were the primary sources of a King or Nation’s international power and foreign Intelligence gathering. These Naval Forces were used to protect trade routes and to establish the authority for new Colonies in foreign lands.
It is now known that the US Naval Intel and accounting sectors were specifically targeted by the USAF during the 9/11 attacks. During these attacks, charges were planted inside those sections in the pentagon, including a sophisticated covert operation using space war technology like holographic images and sounds.
There have been isolated reports of past space shootouts between USAF and USN anti-gravity Craft (AGCs). And there have been some reports of serious turf wars inside Congress over funding. It is well known that the USAF sees the USN conventional forces, including most carriers and destroyers, as obsolete and easy targets for any enemy.
The actual state of back-engineered Alien ET technology for Russian weapons systems is not known by American Intel at this time. But estimates are constructed using advanced algorithms on advanced computers to make estimates. And the latest version of the Russian Sunburn Missile System is a good example of an advanced weapons system that can be used to project what could be considered a fairly good estimate of the current state of Russian Secret Space war weaponry that has been deployed.
Some military technology experts believe that the Sunburn is based on Alien ET back-engineered technology. Why would they think this? Because the latest versions of the Sunburn are believed to have hiving capability and the ability to travel at speeds up to 7,000 to 9,000 miles per hour. That is a lot more than the officially released figures of Mach 2.1.
Hiving is the ability of these missiles when launched in mass to remain in constant communication with one another on special scrambled frequencies which constantly change.
If one or more Sunburn missile is shot down or interfered with, the rest adjust in response to the threat, re-target, and resort to random defensive maneuvers to make sure every target is still covered and attacked by priority of importance. Some of these maneuvers are so gravity-defying, it is suspected that anti-gravity technology has been utilized in the latest model of the Sunburn missiles. It is also suspected that new anti-matter light and time warping technologies are used to provide advanced “cloaking” for these Sunburns.
If these rumors are even close to accurate it means that any USN ships within range of these Sunburns (which may be substantially greater than the claimed 1200 miles), could be sunk within mere minutes. Some experts believe that the USAF (or the USN) has nothing that can adequately respond to the Sunburn, and even the Rail guns and high-powered particle beams which have been secretly deployed on some carriers and destroyers and kept under wraps until needed, or on special Space war orbital platforms, cannot respond fast or accurately enough to stop all of a hive of Sunburns that are launched.
As the Cold War came to a halt, it was rumored that the Soviet Union’s secret Space war stopped, temporarily put on ice. This occurred when the Wall was torn down, thanks to the extremely effective efforts of the Great America Hero Lee Wanta, who served as President Reagan’s Secret Agent. And it is now believed that under Putin’s new Russia, not only has a new treaty been re-negotiated with a certain group of Alien ETs, who were introduced to the Soviets by Nazi Scientists brought into Russia after WW2 to work on advanced weapons systems (just like what happened under Operation Paperclip in America).
Another way to estimate the Space War capabilities is to examine open-source intel of any alien technology applications that have been leaked in the press. There is one story claiming that Russia was in the process of developing a large anti-gravity craft (AGC) to use as a space platform deployed space weapon system, as well as for use as an advanced passenger airliner. It has been claimed by some that the first prototype has been built and tested.
Here is what may perhaps be an “Above Top Secret” video obtained clandestinely by a Western Intel Agency and leaked to the press, perhaps with a wink and a nod of Putin or his deputies. You must decide if it appears to be real and/or could actually be real. Why would Russia allow this kind of a leak? Such leaks can serve as a warning to western powers to show more respect for Putin’s New Russia.
If it is a faked video and purposely leaked misinformation, it can serve as a Psyop to confuse and misdirect from real, already deployed Russian “deep black” or “above Top Secret” Secret Space War Systems that Putin perhaps wants to keep secret. Decide for yourself if this video might be real, and if so what its implications could be for Putin’s New Russia.
Conclusion: President Putin has appeared remarkably cool and confident in public lately. A slow controlled speech backed by steely blue eyes and what appears to be a iron constitution, as well as a over-confident swagger to his stride. Not prone to careless statements or bluffs, Putin appears to be a strong, confident leader who means what he says and is willing to back it up.
President Putin has been considered by some Russian Intel to have been Russia’s equivalent of Britain’s “Ian Fleming” (the Real James Bond) in the past. But he has a lighter side too. It has been reported that he rides horses for fun, and likes dogs and animals in general.
Those who know President Putin claim that he does not want war for his New Russia, but wants peace and prosperity and a major role in International Trading of oil, gas and other Russian commodities which are growing in development every day.
But it is also generally recognized that President Putin demands respect from other world leaders and is not likely to be pushed around.
Driving out the Judaic zionist mobsters has appeared to have been a high priority, and this is an extremely difficult job, since these crime networks called the “Red Mafiya” are so entrenched. Various Russian experts in the west believe that Putin is committed to this and has made significant progress, but it is an arduous process.
Those who know President Putin claim that he is very calculating when he negotiates or pushes foreign policies for Russia. That he is not prone to idle bluff or exaggerations, but usually means exactly what he says.
This task of driving out Israeli-American dual citizen traitors who are zionists is a difficult challenge for newly emerging groups within the USG, the American Military and Intel. It is these folks who are dedicated to fully exposing these Traitors to America the Republic and are working hard to stop AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, the SPLC and the like. Based on the deep penetration zionist criminals and zionist espionage fronts have attained in America, one can easily imagine how difficult a challenge it is for Putin to do the same in Russia.
So far it seems clear that President Putin will give no new quarter to the Red Mafiya zios, nor will he allow zionists from Israel, the City of London or those who have infiltrated America to determine his borders or his security situation with the Ukraine.
And besides, according to Lee Wanta, President Reagan’s Secret Agent, a binding Agreement was negotiated between the Soviet Union’s leaders who were leaving power and Russia’s new up and coming leaders, that America would not ever interfere in Russia’s close security situation along its borders, and Russia would refrain from the same for America’s borders. (1) Sadly, recent news reports claim the the USG has given $5 Billion USD to rebel groups inside the Ukraine to start a Color Revolution. If true, this is a serious violation of the Agreement that is still binding. (2)
In spite of the evidence that Israel has deployed some of its Terrorist Patsy groups to the Ukraine to start a Color Revolution and America has also apparently deployed its Al Cia Duh Terror groups to the Ukraine to assist, President Putin has responded calmly, but decisively. He appears to have started deploying some of his best Anti-Terror troops to Crimea to secure the Ukraine.
It should be a fair assumption that if Israel and America do not back down and stop deploying terrorists to the Ukraine, President Putin will likely fight fire with fire and deploy whatever Russian Military force is necessary to stop this outside agitation and generation of violence, terror and chaos inside the Ukraine.
Will President Putin back down and let Israel and American offshore corporate interests Balkanize the Ukraine and divide its vast natural resources? A fair number of experts do not believe that President Putin will allow this to happen. And could it be that his strong confidence is a result of a newly updated treaty with a group of Aliens that is working hard to expose the Franken, Sabbattean World Zionists (WZs) and the IZCS, and to stop their evil reign of power?
If this particular group of Aliens has entered into an agreement to establish Space war parity for Putin’s new Russia, perhaps this has bolstered his confidence and resolve to deal effectively with the zionist Israeli/American-driven terror in the Ukraine. Perhaps this group of anti-zionist Aliens has told President Putin to respond confidently and not to worry about the zios at all, that they will cover his back.
Take a break with Prince’s latest hit.
Now some of the world’s best rock guitar playing for those who appreciate good entertainment and have the time and like Prince’s music. This is Prince’s latest. (Headphones are recommended for this and use HD video if you have it).
Prince was the kid next door who kept to himself growing up. While everyone ignored him he was very busy minding his own business and learning to expertly play every musical instrument he could get his hands on, and write his own unique music. He later emerged from obscurity to musical superstar status in a very short time. But he is also famous for something else. Here is the rest of the story.
Prince lives near me and is the artist who single-handedly broke the whole music industry contracting system which was unfairly tilted to the house. Every single recording contract in the music industry has had to be re-written because of Prince’s genius. It is believed by those close to Prince that not only is he a musical genius, but an extremely intelligent man, able to think outside the system. And he taught the big boys a lesson they will never forget, ever.
Prince renamed himself as a symbol which voided any hold his prior tilted contract had over him and taught all the big Hollywood Entertainment attorneys a lesson they will never forget. Like him or not or what he stands for, or whether you like his music or not, this man fought back and beat the system in a way no attorney ever even conceived of. He beat them all , every one of these Ivy league big boys. Case in point, you never know what the little guy is capable of when taken advantage of or abused, and learns the truth about it and cannot live with it. When the human spirit is awakened in mass many unexpected changes occur, sometimes very quickly.
And imagine what will happen when the alternative news provided by the Internet diffuses into the mass-mind (shared consciousness of the masses) to the point that a 12% spontaneous eruption of this kind emerges, characterized by many millions of ordinary Americans who spontaneously resolve in mass to stop being victimized by an American government hijacked by Israel and the City of London private Central Banksters.
Never before in history has truth spread like lightning like it is today, and this is due to the Internet’s deep penetration across almost every society and into every group. It can not be stopped, it is far too late for that. Yes, within a few years all secrecy will end. There are many beyond-black secret things going on in the background now related to supra-national forces at play using ultra-high tech quantum computers that will assure this, no matter what counter-measures are attempted. the end to all state secrets kept from the masses is right around the corner, bet on it. And the ramifications of this collapse of all state secrets, is going to be the greatest exposure of RICO crimes, perversions and occult practices ever, far beyond what most folks could ever imagine. Snowden’s releases were just the tip of the iceberg. You are going to be shocked beyond belief at what is coming down the pike due to quantum computers putting a complete end to Cryptographics.
The new NSA spy center used to eavesdrop on every American digital transmission after which are instantly and spontaneously downloaded to Israel by Satellite will soon no longer matter. The coming end to secrecy and cryptographics will render it irrelevant. This huge NSA building will be reduced to a white elephant of very little value and will be likely abandoned. The whole American Intel System hijacked by Israel is going to be exposed and made completely inconsequential and worthless. There will be an abrupt, unexpected end to the phony War on Drugs and the phony War on Terror and thousands of USG, DHS and American Intel officials and staff will be stuck in the unemployment lines with all their so-called “Federal Family” pensions gone, grabbed up by the out of control USG right before it collapses from within. These abandoned dupes will all feel like they are new members of the “Chumps R US Club” and their former status as Police State minions will be rendered irrelevant.
And it is highly recommended that top DHS and NeoCon, Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors and Infil-Traitors refrain from starting a civil war up or going door to door or using their puppet state and local police departments, and VIPR “murder squads” to do so like in the land of Sandy Hookers. Why, because there appears to be a growing number of American Military and Intel High Command that know the full story now of who did the 9/11 false-flag attacks, how they did it and why. And over 200 Sheriffs have refused to participate in any gun grab, smart enough to know that it is an unConstitutional law that will eventually be voided in the Courts. Besides they do not want to die for nothing fighting normally law abiding citizens.
Yes, word is still spreading like wildfire that 9/11 was an “Inside-Job”. Of course this is due to the public testimony of Steve Pieczenik, MD, PH.D., and Alan Sabrowsky, Ph.D. and the numerous reports from Engineers who have studied 9/11 and exposed it USG lies as well as the numerous reports by research teams working with Professor James Fetzer. And of course nobody sane disputes the smoking gun evidence that demolition charges were pre-planted in WT-7, which means if they were planted on one of the bulding before 9-11-01, they were planted in all of them too.
None of the hundreds of Controlled Major Mass Media or USG liars can explain why BBC announcer Jane Standley announced that WT-7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it did and was still standing on live TV over her shoulder in the distance through a window. The answer of course is that some dumbbell in MI-6 who planned her script screwed up and forgot about Daylight Savings time.
Many in the High Military Command and American Intel now know that you have infil-Traited and hijacked all NSA lives feeds and all American Communications administration and billing and they are extremely bothered about this as yet unresolved, unpunished Treason due to these ongoing real Crimes of State.
And for you, the Perps, Traitors and Infil-Traitors, a quick note: Your hijacking of all American Intel and setting up of the “Six Eyes” NSA hijacked system run out of Israel has been the largest breech of real American “National Security” since the Bush/Scherff Cabal seized power and murdered JFK, MLF, RFK and turned the CIA Directorate of operations and the DEA into the biggest American Drug Trafficker in history. If you Traitors start something up you may find yourself in the very Internment Camps you have been building for all whom you have designated as your dissenter/domestic terrorists. Somebody like John Cathey may end up being your head internment inmate and camp supervisor. I wouldn’t count on him or other camp supervisors who will be like him on being sensitive to your needs, either because they are criminal psychopaths like yourselves.
Soon we are all going to see the release of numerous previously secret conversations between top American Policy-Makers, Traitors and Infil-Traitors released for the first time on the worldwide Internet. This will be extremely revealing, shocking and will likely bring the whole corrupt system crashing down. Note to Perps, get out now and take your staches of loot with you and go in peace. This is by far your best option, so take it while you can and go now in peace.
These coming complete disclosures of secret conversations by the “Perps” at the top of the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) and American private Central Banking and the USG and Congress, and all the Israeli zio espionage groups like AIPAC, the ADL, B’nai B’raith and the like will shake the very foundations of the power of those who hijacked American and have attempted to bury the US Constitution and Bill of Rights in a Plethora of new illegal “laws”, regulations and Executive orders using their Phony War on Drugs and phony War on Terror as cover.
These Perps will be running for cover like cockroaches when the lights are turned on (many likely running for their very lives when this all comes out, and it will, all of it every single word). Stay tuned, your mind is going to be blown in the near future. If you think the Snowden disclosures were mind-blowing, just wait, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Light and Truth is coming, every rock will be turned over and you will see a complete end to the secrecy of the USG and American Intel top Policy-Makers. Watch the cockroaches scatter then.